Recently I've been getting picked up as soon as I move into mission control. I'm going with guys who are big enough they just scoop me up and pretty soon I'm 5 feet off the ground.
What are the standard responses when someone does this?
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Recently I've been getting picked up as soon as I move into mission control. I'm going with guys who are big enough they just scoop me up and pretty soon I'm 5 feet off the ground.
What are the standard responses when someone does this?
Options:
Put the free foot on the hip and push.
Angle out onto your side (they need you to be parallel in front of them in order to pick you up).
Switch to meathook and isolate his far hand out so he can't use it to pick you up.
Underhook their leg with your free arm or let go of the mission control to underhook (I don't like this option as much because you are letting them stand and you will likely lose your full guard).
Hip bump sweep into them when they go to pick you up. This will either succeed or cause them to push back into you instead of picking you up.
Unhook the free leg from full guard and extend them out with a butterfly hook.
Let go and try another guard? I'm not very stubborn when it comes to playing guard. I got slammed from an armbar like 10 years ago. Learned a valuable lesson. It's not worth holding on in my opinion.
Rickson Gracie use to say you should never let someone pick you up so let go of Mission Control and play open guard until you can stand up.
I have a parter that dose this constantly. I really push hard with the foot on the hip. If I have the over hook and he actually gets me off the ground, I plant one Foot and push off the ground and pull him back down. Being careful to not let him pass around the planted leg. sometimes going straight to the carni at the end.
I've had this problem in MMA as well and I completely agree with all of the previous comments. Another option that works for me is, once they pick you up, let go and immediately shoot in for the double leg. They are normally so impressed with themselves that they can pick you up and plan to slam you (or hold you in place depending on the situation), that they aren't expecting any type of counter. It's been pretty high percentage for me over the years, anyways.
Yeah I totally agree with the not being picked up thing... I try to avoid that at all costs. I just hate to give up RG though... I've worked so hard to get the guy into my closed guard and then broken down, just to give all that away and be back to where i started really sucks. My big problem is that I don't have much game yet. Add to that the fact that these guys are bigger AND better than me, and there are only a few things that work.
Right now my game has 3 main aspects:
1. get into RG. From here I have options and can sometimes even tap my opponents.
2. get into a lockdown. From here I usually don't tap them, but I slow them down, frustrate them, and best of all prevent them from tapping me.
3. I get totally destroyed.
Not a lot of options for me! I can't stay on top of guys, I can't play open guard very well, and I'm not allowed to do heelhooks. At this point I only manage to survive if I'm on my back and controlling my opponent. Any other position is doom for me right now.
I appreciate all the feedback! I think my next step is to try to work on some of Ben's advice.
1. cut an angle
2. press into the hip
3. underhook the leg
I need to find a big guy who can't stop me from closing my guard so I can practice this.
Maybe if I wear a weight-vest under my gi it would help :)
You can also work to Crackhead Control, and Dead Orchard with a leg tied up with the non rubberguard arm. My go to for a guy who wants to really posture and/or pick me up
Well I have a habit of going to crackhead the second I have mission control. That's part of my problem i think, my leg is already up high so I cannot push the hip without moving my leg back down again. It's a habit I'm going to try to break.Quote:
Originally Posted by stan myaskovskiy
You are suggesting crackhead can somehow stop him from picking up me? I know it's for posture control but I don't understand how that helps me keep my back on the mat?
This breakdown should help. Control their leg and it becomes a lot harder for them to stand up out of it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=de...&v=9Spce_6tn4g
If all fails, I feel you should let go. Train proper reactions so they are automatic when you're not thinking clearly.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mqo9morJZAI
Yeah I agree. And that video is scary. You don't have a lot of time to let go, like one second from the time he lifts until the time you're KO'ed from the slam.Quote:
Originally Posted by gene k
Quarter guard and Z-guard should be your open guard game if you're looking to end up in rubber guard. Those are the best entries. Quarter guard to lockdown to pimp hand or quarter guard to dogfight to jumping into closed. Z-guard leads to full guard in a lot of ways. You can also go Z-guard to lockdown to pimp to full if they are locking you out from going straight from Z to full.Quote:
Originally Posted by Craig Murray
Haven't commented on one of your posts in a while, Craig, glad to see you're catching some success with RG positioning.
couple of things
1. There is an immense push to "prove" that RG doesn't work, especially at a place like Lovato's even if it's not the instructors pushing that agenda. Because of that, they'll do anything they can to make you look silly, including hoisting you if you're too stubborn to let go. The angles Ben mentioned are essential, they cannot be stressed enough, even more than the foot on the hip, and I LOVE the foot on the hip.
2. RG is a tool, in a bag. You have options from there, and so you're not looking to improve your position. You already have what you want. Your opponent is looking to improve his position too, at any cost, since you have him in unfamiliar territory. That mentality is... not the greatest, overall. I'd rather improve my position until I had to pass up submissions rather than pass positions to chase submissions... if that makes sense... Them lifting you up gives you an opening beneath them, one that they should be protecting, but aren't, because they feel the risk is worth the reward. You can work on ways to pull them back down, sure, or you can accept the gift, and improve your position more. There's no wrong answer, just, how much work do you want to do?
I like letting go of RG and slipping into x guard as they hoist, it's not expected, and all of the sudden, he doesn't want to stand anymore, wants to smash again, ok, fine.
I guess I'd say get more comfortable with transitioning between sweeps and RG, and just because you don't have a game on top doesn't mean you shouldn't learn quick ways to get there, and back to RG when they sweep you.
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Originally Posted by William Schrimsher
This advice makes a lot of sense to me. Thanks for taking the time to comment. I see what you're saying about an alternative to RG if they pick me up... find a way to make them pay for it, and they will stop doing it.
I rolled with a blackbelt for the first time this week and he was just letting me do whatever I wanted. He let me get full guard, let me break him down, and when he felt me enter mission control he picked me up. Afterward he said basically the same thing you did. His advice was grab the sleeves, drop back down to the mat, close my guard around his knees, and squeeze his legs together. IE, take advantage of what they are giving me.
Awesome advice guys, thank you! I'm off to class and hopefully I'll have a chance to experiment with some of these ideas.
No problem. The more you get on your side, at the angle, the harder it is to be picked up as well, that's another thought.Quote:
Originally Posted by Craig Murray
That knee pinch sweep works at the highest levels, if your BB instructor is feeding you that, that means he probably hit it on high level people or feels vulnerable to it himself, either way, jump on it.
There's an old 10p video on youtube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C4hlBJvum0E where eddie is offering troubleshooting to RG at the end (7:45) and to counter the stack, he switches to butterfly and sweep, or sweep and spiderweb. Don't hold on to a worsening position, is no good juju.
This may be an option as well. The air pump.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J705-D7lI64