Rubber Guard in a club that doesn't study 10th planet

Hi all
I'm wondering if there's any validity in the statement "shouldn't work on rubber guard for the first two, three years. You should work on framing and creating space"

Been training for a year and a half, I'm continually studying and adding new things, I've loved 10th planets game since the beginning, but I have to train myself in it because no one in my club knows 10th planet well. So I study, slowly add pieces, and was working meat hooks from New Jersey into the gogo clinch against a tough guy. Got the stink eye from my coaches, but I'm going to continue to work this stuff. Jiu Jitsu should be fun in my opinion and this is super fun stuff.

Mostly I'm venting.

Have a good one

Statement does not make sense to me personally. When they say "framing and creating space" I assume they mean bottom side control. The first thing I always teach a beginner is a basic full guard (also half guard). Why not develop a guard immediately so you don't end up in bottom side control in the first place?

Becasue people, instructors included, love to knock what they don't understand themselves.

And welcome to the forum!

Thanks Chris. By the way, your knee bar instructionals, after months of practice on my part, are paying dividends. Love and appreciate very much the work you share

Framing and space are very important because it gives you an opportunity to get to your spot. With that being said, you need a spot. Always build a guard game first. I'd work on escapes and pick a guard to focus on. Add from there. Rubber guard is wonderful but I'd start with the half guard game first.

Sound advice. Thanks much

Not matter what, you will have holes in your game. If you start with rubber guard early the chances of you mastering it increases big time. I say get those RG instincts firing early, you got time to fill in holes later. Mastering the warm ups asap is also a no-brainer

3 years of practicing framing? Hehe, yeah ok. I was doing RG from day one. I was spending half my time learning how to escape mount and the other half learning to clear the neck. Of course I'm still a whitebelt so this is proof of nothing, other than my opinion on the matter.

My guess is Herzog is right, your instructor doesn't know it and doesn't want to see you use it on his students. He won't know what to tell them when they ask how to defend it. He just would rather pretend it does not exist. That's most likely what's going on here.

Does you instructor each you triangles? Armbar from guard? If so, that's not framing... why not RG?

I run a class on Saturday, every week. The focus is your warm ups. I think they're brilliant, and version three is an awesome upgrade. Nice work!

I love reading posts like this. My old school was like that, super close minded about RG and they thought it was very "advanced" for beginners. Obviously being on this forum and hearing from great BJJ minds like so many people here made me realize this cat I used to learn from was off his rocker. Keep up that RG!!!

Coaches should be aware that this is super toxic behavior that will cost them students in this day and age... You don't deserve to be treated like a criminal for this and CAN probably find a place where you would be HAPPIER of you wanted. I could actually KIND OF see the argument for someone's first month or so. I mean, I'll show rubber guard to someone VERY new and I HAVE seen brand new people have some success with it. Its a completely dumb statement ,in my opinion, to make to someone who has more than 6 months of training. Let me guess, they have showed you more than "framing and basics"? They have showed you spider guard or leg lasso, loop chokes, things like that? Stuff that arguably will teach you less about framing than the rubber guard and is less basic as well as never, ever working in a fight?

I have been at places like that. I was very, very miserably. Remember that you are the paying customer. Good luck buddy!

When you become proficient at it, it works. That's been proven at this point. Become proficient, start tapping everyone from it, and they cant say shiiiitt!!! :)

Spider guard - check. Loop chokes - check. Berimbolo - check.

Don't get me wrong, I'm happy at my small club. My coaches are really good dudes. But where I get angry is when I'm told I'm not ready or wrong to be exploring something else especially when I put in solid time, keep quiet and attentive to the lessons that are being taught, and bring 10th planet in during my own rolls and on my own time. I've learned loads from watching MTS, applying, tweaking, applying, tweaking! I'll talk to my coach about this probably, just to clear the air a bit

Also, like mentioned above, I'm not looking to do Jiu Jitsu in the search for only uber efficient top technique, or make space on bottom and start over with the go to techniques I've been working on. I mean to have fun and stimulate neurons and so working rubber guard from a tough position like New Jersey (I've already used meat hooks effectively and my leg pinch is much stronger because of it - I also set up the heisman as a bailout from here often) is really stimulating for me. I don't expect it will ever be more than stinkeye and coaches wanting to be coaches and coaching from what they know. I really appreciate the thoughtful responses here. They've been super helpful. I'll be working that rubber guard, with all its holes!