What’s everyone’s general opinion of the use of heel hooks in the gym and out of it
Printable View
What’s everyone’s general opinion of the use of heel hooks in the gym and out of it
Learn how to do them properly and safely, and use them if you and the other person is comfortable with it. I would try to foster a gym environment where heel hooks are fair game during no-gi training, but I would also probably hold off on letting new students use them in sparring until blue belt. But at white belt no-gi I would make sure they had the basic knowledge of the outside heel hook and inside heel hook as well as the major leg entanglement positions to finish each one.
You have to train in an environment that doesn't restrict them, Especially no-gi. They're not my favorite submission. But they are extremely effective and doing no-gi without heel hooks allowed is like doing Diet No-Gi.
why not?
No difference between a kimura and a heel hook. Fucked shoulders are just as painful as fucked knees
yeah ofc, was just asking. our instuctor doesnt like not allow us but hes not pushing for us to use them
But what about foot tendons sir?
ExactlyQuote:
Originally Posted by Eddie Bravo
I don't usually go for them on guys I have not rolled with before unless they try it on me. Other than that, I think it is fair game just so long you aren't busting up a bunch of people.
From my experience, doing heel hooks is more about how much you know, more so than what they know... A common misconception I have heard in the jiu jitsu community is that "the heel hook is too dangerous because the person you are doing it to wont feel pain until the knee is already damaged", and that CAN BE correct depending on HOW you are doing the technique. There are ways you can do the heel hook so they feel pain in their foot/ankle/and eventually the knee, so they tap before any real damage occurs.. Also I have found that you have to leave your ego at the door when it comes to heel hooks, for example, if you have a heel hook tight, and they're a noob (who is not tapping), just let it go.. Same if they try to spin out of it.. they go to spin the wrong way.. let go! that is where most (again in my experience) heel hook related injuries occur..
not sure how to embed.. but here is a video with Eddie Cummings hitting the nail on the head when it comes to heel hooks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Keith D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H3U-FAx8Lq0Quote:
Originally Posted by Keith D
Hit the film button on the top right of the reply screen and then paste it onto the address bar.
theirs a million extremely painful leglocks YOU HAVE TO LEARN. For example to ankle crush when people cross their feet from back mount.
The best techniques in any sport are the illegal ones.
I love how Eddie stresses learning exactly where the tap is.
Its almost like when leg lock popularity really started steamrolling there were white belts who were learning more about them than black belts and this brought ego into it. I get the feeling higher level belts did not want to tap and this probably caused lots of injury and contributed even more to the fear and mysticism. Educate. Educate. Educate.
One thing that makes heel hooks more dangerous than other submissions is that they don't hurt/feel harmless until it's too late. I' ll go for heel hooks while rolling but always let go if the other guy does not recognize the tap, then I'll just switch to an ankle lock for the tap.
If heel hooks were as dangerous as some people say then people would be getting knee surgeries all the time at Hq. But that’s simply not the case. Knee surgeries from heel hooks are rare at HQ
heel hooks hurt super bad. if they don't, the technique is way off.
They only hurt super bad if you don’t tap when you should’ve Or the person who’s applying them deliberately over cranks it or he over cranks it on accident. My top leg lockers tap people all the time and generally no one’s screaming from the painQuote:
Originally Posted by sean applegate
Maybe it's a question of poor technique application, but I have had multiple injuries from heal hooks and none from a kimura; and such is the trend I have been seeing. From my experience, the pain leading to the kimura tap is gradual, leaving me plenty of time to tap before a busted shoulder. The knee however was built/evolved for a more limited range of motion. In a heel hook injury, I feel no pain until something has snapped.