Condit wasted my 60.00 with his running techniques

i thought condit was a natural born kille not a track star, he didn't come to "Fight" he just through flash strikes and ran away. any time he stood his ground he got tagged, this was like 2 dogs where one came to "fight" & the other flash bit, & managed to win, i told some non mma friends to come watch a war, not a track meet, needless to say they were not converted, but Nick will get the winner of the Gsp Condit track meet. & to think i was a condit fan until yesterday, but that was just shitty & a waste of money

+1

Ya if he wanted to run a 5k race he should have just said so Nick would have strapped on his Nike's instead of his gloves and smoked his ass.

How would you fight Nick Diaz then?

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How would you fight Nick Diaz then?

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Irrelevant, hes not a professional fighter. The point is fans want to see fighters come to finish.

condit ran away the whole fight, litteraly with his back turned like a kerr dog, when people come to fight nick diaz they get smashed & go out on there shield like real warriors, condit just ran & through flash strikes, i lost all respect for condit, & he admitted that running was his game plan not to bang

Here's a pic of condit

http://www.bestmmatorrents.com/profiles/images-372.jpeg

I completely disagree. Condit engaged plenty...look at nick diaz face. He was smart...he didn't engage against the cage where Diaz is most dangerous. He slipped out an engaged back in the center. I'm fine with that. Diaz was clearly frustrated because condit didn't play his game. Lost alot of respect for Diaz after the fight too.

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How would you fight Nick Diaz then?

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Nick would kick my ass 10 out of 10 times, but i'm not a kerr dog, just like BJ penn aint a kerr dog, or Cowboy Ceronie, so like them i'd fight & go out on my shield like a man, especially if i'm getting paid to "Fight"

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I completely disagree. Condit engaged plenty...look at nick diaz face. He was smart...he didn't engage against the cage where Diaz is most dangerous. He slipped out an engaged back in the center. I'm fine with that. Diaz was clearly frustrated because condit didn't play his game. Lost alot of respect for Diaz after the fight too.

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So you think Condit won the fight?

Carlos had an excellent performance. You can't say he ran. What Kalib Starnes did against Nate Quarry, that was running. Carlos used his footwork to avoid Nick's strikes and he hit Nick with many more in return. Whenever he was backed against the cage where Nick likes to unload, he circled out and got back to the center. He threw beautiful head kicks, flying knees, spinning elbows, everything you can hope for. You can't be mad at a guy for winning. Your anger would be better directed at Nick for not being skilled enough to adjust his gameplan and find a way to drag Carlos into a dogfight. Standing there begging an opponent to stop moving so you can hit him isn't how to do it.

I love how people get so pissed win someone doesn't win the way they wanted.

Who fucking cares he fought the fight he needed to win. At the end of the day that's all that fucking matters.

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Carlos had an excellent performance. You can't say he ran. What Kalib Starnes did against Nate Quarry, that was running. Carlos used his footwork to avoid Nick's strikes and he hit Nick with many more in return. Whenever he was backed against the cage where Nick likes to unload, he circled out and got back to the center. He threw beautiful head kicks, flying knees, spinning elbows, everything you can hope for. You can't be mad at a guy for winning. Your anger would be better directed at Nick for not being skilled enough to adjust his gameplan and find a way to drag Carlos into a dogfight. Standing there begging an opponent to stop moving so you can hit him isn't how to do it.

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Wrong! Nick landed more strikes to the head and body with a higher degree of accuracy.

http://img825.imageshack.us/img825/7...2feb042303.jpg

Obviously these numbers aren't always perfect but they do a good job. Honestly, I didn't even think it was close. It could've been scored a 50-45 shutout and I wouldn't argue.

If you give points for moving the direction your face is pointing, then Nick put a GSP-Fitch style beatdown on Carlos.

Kalib starens 2.0

Strikes to the head and body
Nick 111 out of 248
Carlos 91 out of 242

Take away the leg kicks that did nothing to slow down Diaz they were thrown to score points. Jose Aldo hits you with that many leg kicks and your not walking any more. You throw leg kicks that count and you can't move away as fast as Carlos did.

http://blog.fightmetric.com/2012/02/...tatistics.html

....and over all, leg kicks included, Nick landed everything with a higher degree of accuracy. Numbers are not enough you have to break them down and look at what they really mean.

Carlos "The Natural Born Runner" Condit

Now you're going all Cecil Peoples on leg kicks? =P

From my perspective, I saw Nick getting outstruck pretty easily. I kept waiting for the moment where he landed a bomb to rock him, or for Carlos to slow down and Nick starts catching him more. It never happened. The reverse happened actually, Carlos was pouring on the heat for the last 3 rounds and Nick still could barely find him. I know I can't wait to rewatch it later.

Rewatched the fight actually quite entertaining knowing the outcome

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Now you're going all Cecil Peoples on leg kicks? =P

From my perspective, I saw Nick getting outstruck pretty easily. I kept waiting for the moment where he landed a bomb to rock him, or for Carlos to slow down and Nick starts catching him more. It never happened. The reverse happened actually, Carlos was pouring on the heat for the last 3 rounds and Nick still could barely find him. I know I can't wait to rewatch it later.

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I believe Cecil was actually one of the judges lol.

Yes I thought confit won 3 rounds to 2. The announcers also thought the same. Standing an banging with nick Diaz is s death sentence. Carlos was smart to not engage when in the cage. Striking numbers are one thing but nick was beat up an Carlos definately landed the harder shots. There's no stat for that. I think the 49-46 scores were crap though. 48-47 was about right.

*on the cage.

Some of you guys are really funny, take away the leg kicks that did no damage and Nick Diaz would have won?!?! Condit broke the UFC record on leg kicks landed. Those leg kicks are the reason why Nick could have not engaged the same way he did to BJ Penn, they are the reason why he slowed down, or could not cut the ring as effectively as he could of. Also what makes you think they did no damage? When is the last time you got kicked in the leg 75 times in 25 minutes?
Just because Nick Diaz has the mental stability of a 2 year old and throws a temper tantrum after every time things don't go his way, does not mean he took no damage and Condit ran. If you think being a professional fighter is playing to your opponents strengths, then you are wrong.
Condit is a fighter, he wants to win and be a champion, he is not a punching bag that needs to stand in front of Diaz to show the world how great Diaz is.

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Some of you guys are really funny, take away the leg kicks that did no damage and Nick Diaz would have won?!?! Condit broke the UFC record on leg kicks landed. Those leg kicks are the reason why Nick could have not engaged the same way he did to BJ Penn, they are the reason why he slowed down, or could not cut the ring as effectively as he could of. Also what makes you think they did no damage? When is the last time you got kicked in the leg 75 times in 25 minutes?
Just because Nick Diaz has the mental stability of a 2 year old and throws a temper tantrum after every time things don't go his way, does not mean he took no damage and Condit ran. If you think being a professional fighter is playing to your opponents strengths, then you are wrong.
Condit is a fighter, he wants to win and be a champion, he is not a punching bag that needs to stand in front of Diaz to show the world how great Diaz is.

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Gotta agree, I train stand up and one of the first things you learn is strike and move. It would not have been smart to stand and bang with Diaz. Yeah I wish somebody would have finished the fight but Condit definately won.

Lost respect for Diaz running his mouth at the end, should have took it like a man

I was so excited once the fight hit the floor. I honestly thought it was done. Good defense by Condit

You know what would solve all these issues?
Unlimited rounds till someone taps or naps no more scores.
Thats the only way you are going to see real fighters that can keep a pace and have the mind set that they need to finish.

The more big wins come down to points the less your going to see what got mma to the point its at now with popularity.

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I completely disagree. Condit engaged plenty...look at nick diaz face. He was smart...he didn't engage against the cage where Diaz is most dangerous. He slipped out an engaged back in the center. I'm fine with that. Diaz was clearly frustrated because condit didn't play his game. Lost alot of respect for Diaz after the fight too.

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Well said.

It's simple, if you are happy with the way Condit won then you like games and sports. And if you're not happy about the way fight went and feel like Condit ruined what could of been the best fight ever, then you like fighting. The problem with guys from Jackson's camp is they look at MMA as if it's a game similar to Candy Land or Hungry Hungry Hippos and not like it's a fight, then they call themselves, and I'm quoting Condit himself, "a warrior". How are you going to call yourself a warrior yet play point games in the cage? The outcome of this fight isn't what disturbed me, I'd be happy for Condit if he did his job and entertained me, a paying fan, yet he didn't. He bored me to piss and that is why Jackson's gym is bad for MMA, they don't give a shit about the fans or their enjoyment of the fight. If Griffin and Bonnar were from Jackson's Gym, and fought like Condit did last night, the UFC wouldn't of become the power house that it is today.
Condit = Gamer
Diaz = Warrior

I was hoping for Diaz to win, so we could see him submit GSP. However, Condit fought smart. Although, I was disappointed with the "running", his hit and run style worked for him. I can't say who won and who lost. I do think Nick had octagon control, aggression, and got the only takedown. Condit just did more damage, especially with the leg kicks. Good fight though. Really had me on the edge of my seat, especially when Diaz took his back. Looking forward to seeing a rematch.

MMA is about strengths an weaknesses. Condit is not a boring fighter. If you watch any of his previous fights you will see how exciting he can be. It was definately not the most exciting fight an I was disappointed with the entertainment of it too... The whole card was pretty sluggish in my opinion. If I'm Nick Diaz though an i have his jitz pedigree why not make the adjustment an go for takedowns an take the fight to the ground? Nick could of adjusted to the fight but for whatever reason he choose to be 1 dimensional an just box the whole time. I don't fault Condit for nick havin a brick for a brain.

I think Condit won the fight. All Nick did was try to hunt him done and pin him up against the cage for the first 4 rounds. While I know everyone has their opinions on what makes a good fight, I liked Condit's approach. His thought process was simular to Sugar Ray not fighting Haggler's style of fight, consitantly moving and making the fighter chase. Say what you want but the object is to fight your style of fight not someone elses. If Nick truely was upset he needed to be upset at himself for not cutting Condit escape route effectively. He acted like Condit was going to just sit there and say hit me.
To put this in Jiu Jitsu terms, that we be going against a guy who has a good top game and is upset because you won't let him have the mount or side control.

Ill let Condit have his win even though I dont agree with it. I just hope Diaz was speaking out of emotion and doesnt actually retire. Just like I hope Penn doesnt actually retire.

What can we do about boring fights?
http://www.mixedmartialarts.com/news...boring-fights/

i would say condit won...he did apply his gameplan which was not to go into diaz's game. it's all jokes with the kalib starnes thing because he evaded nick a bit, but he did engage him which is completely different than what kalib did. that being said i hope diaz doesnt quit. i do hope condit wins the title...i like gsp a bit but i think condit makes for a great champ...if gsp loses i'd love to see gsp vs. diaz still. that'd be awesome

"I think the fans are mad at the way Carlos Condit fought. Too fucking bad. He came in with a game plan and stuck to it and won." - Dana White

Too fucking bad? Is Dana really saying fuck what the fans think? We'll see what he's saying when fighting like this ruins MMA for everyone.

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"I think the fans are mad at the way Carlos Condit fought. Too fucking bad. He came in with a game plan and stuck to it and won." - Dana White

Too fucking bad? Is Dana really saying fuck what the fans think? We'll see what he's saying when fighting like this ruins MMA for everyone.

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Dana is a dipshit. Anything he says i take with a grain of salt. Have you rewatched the fight yet Andrew? Its a little more entertaining knowing the outcome

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"I think the fans are mad at the way Carlos Condit fought. Too fucking bad. He came in with a game plan and stuck to it and won." - Dana White

Too fucking bad? Is Dana really saying fuck what the fans think? We'll see what he's saying when fighting like this ruins MMA for everyone.

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I think he is trying to say that today's MMA is a bit more than Don Fry VS Yoshihiro Takayama style matchups. There are gameplans that fighters utilize to expose the weakness of the other fighter. It looks like if someone is not standing directly in front of Nick Diaz and actually using the head, body and foot work that his instructors are teaching, Nick Diaz has trouble accumulating damage on his oppponent. Since he throws most of his strikes at %50 or less (arbitrary number), he can't damage his opponent to the point of exhaustion so neither TKO's his opponent nor wins the decision.

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What can we do about boring fights?
http://www.mixedmartialarts.com/news...boring-fights/

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Great article. I like the idea of bringing the yellow card in but Id be afraid of giving refs that power

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I think he is trying to say that today's MMA is a bit more than Don Fry VS Yoshihiro Takayama style matchups. There are gameplans that fighters utilize to expose the weakness of the other fighter. It looks like if someone is not standing directly in front of Nick Diaz and actually using the head, body and foot work that his instructors are teaching, Nick Diaz has trouble accumulating damage on his oppponent. Since he throws most of his strikes at %50 or less (arbitrary number), he can't damage his opponent to the point of exhaustion so neither TKO's his opponent nor wins the decision.

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I'm not saying I just want two guys to go in there stand toe to toe and smash face until someone drops (although that is entertaining too). I just want fighters to remember that fans are the ones who make it possible for them to do what they love and the fighters should appreciate that and not turn around and then rob the fans of excitement they paid for by trying to play a point game. Condit knew going into this fight that it was hyped up as and expected to be a war and he should of known his game plan would alienate the fans who were excited to see a war.