Grapplingdummy.net

I just bought this dummy and I must say I am not receiving any money for posting this but it is great. I know a lot of people come on here and want to train but don't have a school or training partners to drill with. This is a great alternative. You can get all of your reps in and go through the whole path since the dummy sits up in your guard. It's incredible and I've also been ripping all of coach Zogs Russian cowboy material since the dummy's legs bend. Its great if you can afford it I definitely recommend it. Check it out at grapplingdummy.net

I've had mine for just over a year and it has helped me improve radically. Especially since moving to Atlanta where there is no 10th Planet school, I now have to rely on the dummy for learning/practicing 10th Planet, then I execute what I've drilled when I roll at the Alliance school. Works well for me.

I have seen that one once before while looking around for a good one. Glad to hear good reviews on it from fellow brothas. I got to get me one and I think I'll get this one when I get the money up lol.

hmmm, mad money but i know it will help a lot and i will for sure use it

I say boo to the submission master grappling dummy or anything like it. I used to work at otm and always felt they were way over priced for what they are. I'd suggest the bubba grappling dummy over the submission master because the range of motion is more realistic. There's also a ton of diy grappling dummies on you tube. Some suck but they give you a foundation of where to start when making your own. Mines has gotta be at least 100 pounds of dead weight, and simulates all major joints and movements of the body. I can play any type of guard and even work escapes from any given position. It just doesn't stand (without being held, or propped) anymore. Don't get me wrong the submission master is ok, but it's overpriced and not very realistic in terms of range of mation. You couldn't play x guard, or practice escapes, because the bottom half just isn't very life like.

How long did it take for shipping??

Man, sorry to be so blunt, but you're insane. Bubba is an over priced stuffed piece of material with no realistic positioning. The SM dummy is less expensive, has retractable arms, and is in perfect positioning for working Full, Half, and Rubber guard, among other things. This topic has been brought up before and every time someone previously bought Bubba they end up regretting it. I've never heard one person say they regret buying the SM dummy. And when you go to their web site, it's obvious you are buying the SM for working the ground game. Working from Twister Side Control can be a little awkward at first, but most of the ground curriculum works amazingly well with the SM dummy.

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Originally Posted by Bo Hutch

How long did it take for shipping??

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About 3 weeks for mine.

I just ordered mine after getting to try out Marks, It's expensive but i think I will be using it enough in the years to come that it will pay for itself.

yeah SM is the best. You cant use any dummies for drilling X-Guard and I cant imagine doing X-Guard techniques dry. For the price and what its able to do the SM is the best

after seeing replies I researched the prices and it looks like the submission master has gone down a bit and the bubba dummy has gone up. But there both at least half a G which is just ridiculous. Especially when for about 100 to 150 bucks you can invest the time and effort to make something that is so much more versatile. Not to mention the shipping!

My gripes with the sub master is the bottom half. The legs and hips are just to stiff in my opinion. It's good for top game, and situations when guys are sitting on there butt, but any open guard techniques where guys are standing, on one knee, or practicing escapes, both dummies fall short. The weight factor of both are a bit unrealistic as well. It's like grappling a freshman in highschool as opposed to any live situation which has weight and pressure. I'm currently adjusting the chest plate on my diy dummy and will post vids that demonstrate why with a little time and effort you can truly build something that's high quality for about a 1/3 of the price. As I said my dummy is easy 100 pounds or higher and has a bottom half that can simulate situations when your opponent has lockdown, standing in ur open guard, on one knee, x guard, top game and other defensive situations when your opponenet is not just gonna sit on his knees. playing lockdown or half game on it is alot more realistic because all major joints have been considered and the weight adds a lot more pressure.

If you wanna try or feel skeptical here's a list of materials I used:

The skeletal frame is made of Industrial electric cable, I think it's 20x40x60 guage or something like that. It's 3 bucks a foot and depending on how you decide to design the skeleton may be the biggest investment. i would get about 15 ft or so, maybe more to be safe. It's a total of three cables two are really thick (maybe the thickness of your thumb) and one is thinner. I'd start from your left foot up and out to the right arm and vise versa from the right foot to the left arm so you can build it in one continuous structure with balance. I unfortunately learned this by trial and error so from the toes to the chest is one peice, the head down the spine and around the hips are another, and the vest plate is the third, If I were to do it all over I would just make it all one peice and buy more materials. But once you cut it you gotta get innovative about re-attaching one cable to the next.

the bones are made of 3/4 inch pvc (think it's like 1.50 for ten feet). Just measure out your own bones, like fore arms, shins, your knee to your hip, ect. and cut them to size, then run the wire through the pvc. Fold a peice of out door duct tape in half so it's sticky on both sides and mark off the bottom or top of the bone your trying to attatch, (depends on wether your going feet to head, or head to feet, i suggest feet to head) and go around the wire a couple times so that when you run the pvc through it'll act as a stopper for the pvc. Then isolate the top by repeating the step on the top of said bone or joint and move progressively in the direction in which you are building your dummy. Understand that the pvc pipe perfectly fits over the cable so there's very little space to begin with. When the aforementioned bone is secured make another round around both the bottom and top to ensure it's stuck and continue till the skeleton is complete. When joining the middle of the dummy from the crouch through the spine you'll double up with two cables so that the left and right side are fused together. It's kinda hard to explain it in words, but imaginge taking one of the the thick 15ft cables and folding it in half. Where it's folded you'd round it out to simulate the foot and continue upwards with two cables on one side of the body. When you get to the groin and hips, the inside half of the cable will be fused with the other inside cable of the other side of the body to make the spine while the outside 1/2 will make the ribs and hips, then comback in around the shoulder joint to form the chest (like a vest plate, thorax) and go up the neck to the head and back down and out to form the arms. The important part of the skeleton is to measure where the body bends, the hips, ribs, and spine is where attention to detail is a must.

After the skeleton is done buy yourself two 60 pound sand bags (10 bucks) and a bunch of ziploc bags. this simulates the muscular structure for shape so you can articulate muscle groups like quads, calves, biceps, tris, forearms ect. By taping the ziploc bags you reenforce the seal so the sand won't come out and keep it's shape. Tape the little muscle bags to the pvc skeletal structure as needed and go around at the tops and bottoms, then cover it with those float noodles (5 bucks for one) to add padding softness and fullness over the little muscle groups. Just as you measured out the pvc for the skeleton you'll do the same for the floaties, and add the skin and outside surface to the whole dummy.

I haven't gone this far yet, but I have a painters tarp that will hopefully simulate a canvas but I'm not a great sewer so I'm thinking of cutting out sections with lace wholes and tying it over the whole dummy in sections.

It's kinda hard to explain in words, but tomorrow I'll work on the chest plate and try and post it so you can see some of the proccess and see what mine looks like now. You'll need a shit load of outdoor duct tape which is about 6-9 bucks a roll depending on the grade and is the other major expense outside of the industrial cable.

Mine lasted about a year until my friend body slammed it out of a truck and broke the part that joins, the hips to the thorax. After observing it this is why i feel the whole dummy should be done in one continuous peice instead of sections that connect to prevent this. But to be honest my friend was just being a dick and weighs at heavyweight. He didn't understand how much time I put into it and that it wasn't designed to be thrown by a 250 pounder full force onto the cement. I mean gravity rules all and as I said this easily tops a hundred pounds, maybe 150 or more ( it's hard to weigh cause of the size).

I know I may take some flack for this post because it may sound ridiculous to some, but I know all grapplers have considered this and it's a much cheaper alternative than the half grand plus shipping of both the bubba and the submission master. With time and effort it's possible, it just depends how much you want it.

It's am hours here in hawaii so I'll work on the dummy tomorrow and post pics or vids.

Definitely post pics La-akea. I am super curious.

I would def like to see some pics. That sounds like an awesome project and I like your analogy regarding weight. I wouldn't want anything less than 150lbs

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can't figure out how to post pictures and photobucket isn't letting me log in so I can't do it through a host. Just have to view attatchments. I went to lowes to grab the supplies I needed and will try to fix it asap, but I have two kids below the age of two so that's difficult.

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Holy shit dude do you grapple with Shaq?! That dummy seems hella tall! lol

I'd suggest rounding down a bit on the measurements. He's a little taller than I am @ 5'9, maybe 6 ft or so. But 7'2... No he's not that tall! Plus the vest that joins to the hip and encases the top half of the torso is under repair so it's not quite as compact as it should be. The part with the pvc showing actually doesn't go straight up, it covers the chest and then goes up to keep that piece in place. That's why there's no padding, to conserve space.

to put it into perspective, those square tiles are square feet, so if you count them you'll see that he's no where near 7 feet. lol

Well it's not pretty but it looks functional. Is that all duct-tape? How does it hold up?

Agreed. But it's very functional, and I personally prefer it to the sub master because of it's versatility. That is all duct tape, and it holds up fine. If i can figure out how to employ the painters tarp as a canvas I think it'll be pretty cool.

Ya I have the bubba and its all duct tape. bubba is ok, but is not worth the money I spent for it. If I knew how it was before I bought it I would have done what as sanborn did. Don't waste your money on a bubba. I would have sent it back but I would have had to pay for the shipping which would have been throwing away about $275

I'm just gonna buy one of these and fill it with sand:

http://privateofficernews.files.word...11/07/blow.jpg

How does the Combat Sports Submission Man Dummy compare to the Submission Master?

It costs a lot less and seems to be similar

http://shop.mixedmartialarts.com/on/...m_campaign=ugs

Its the bent leg one, going for $250 right now

It's hard to find a lot of reviews. There is one thorough review on Amazon but it's not very good. If you're on a budget then maybe the Zebra Mat grappling dummy is an option, but I still think the SM dummy is the best long-term investment you can make for drilling. I don't know if you noticed, but you can break out the SM payments into three separate payments, but they will still ship to you after just making the first payment. That's pretty cool on their part. Also, Bob (the creator of the SM dummy) is a really cool guy and will answer any questions you have. He also made a series of videos sowing the best way to use the dummy for drilling. It's legit.

Man, I have come back to this thread 50 times! I'm thinking of pulling the trigger on this grappling dummy! I have the combat sports one with full legs and arms and its not so much a grappling dummy as a man shaped heavy bag. its the 180lb I believe, certainly the heaviest one. Its actually not mine per say. My next door neighbor was a Seal and now works for, well I dont really know who he works for but he leaves for months at a time and comes back with a bad ass beard! He's super chill, and on one of the times he was in town he was in his garage and I noticed the grappling dummy, asked him about it and he said take for a while, that was 3 years ago. Its impossible to grapple with this thing. If you lay it in your guard, with a steel cup on, it still crushes your balls. I have used it for throws from standing but wrestling it back to standing is a metric shit ton of work! About 2 years ago I got this bright idea to use a rescue dummy that we have for High Angle rescue training at work. It seemed like a good idea at the time. its like a life size Ken Doll. its 5'10", 200 lbs and has articulating joints, but again ungodly heavy. it was just too heavy to really train with, so this grappling dummy may just be the ticket!

never seen the combat sports sub man before. It must be relatively new. It looks a little more flexible than the sub master but relatively the same deal. I know the old one was basically a heavy bag, or a throwing dummy with t rex stubs, but this new model looks decent and is quite a bit cheaper too.

don't get me wrong there's some great ways to utilize the submission master I have just always felt it was overpriced and not able to simulate a lot of positions crucial to the 10th planet system. Even with three installments, when you add shipping that's quite a hefty investment for some. I live in Hawaii so the shipping is just ridiculous!

I've got a cheaper and better solution for you guys....

Find someone to drill with...

when you have 2 kids below the age of two, and a spouse that works the overnight shift, it's alot easier said than done. I wish I had the time!

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Originally Posted by La'akea Sanborn

when you have 2 kids below the age of two, and a spouse that works the overnight shift, it's alot easier said than done. I wish I had the time!

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Same here man!

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Originally Posted by MarkH

Man, sorry to be so blunt, but you're insane. Bubba is an over priced stuffed piece of material with no realistic positioning. The SM dummy is less expensive, has retractable arms, and is in perfect positioning for working Full, Half, and Rubber guard, among other things. This topic has been brought up before and every time someone previously bought Bubba they end up regretting it. I've never heard one person say they regret buying the SM dummy. And when you go to their web site, it's obvious you are buying the SM for working the ground game. Working from Twister Side Control can be a little awkward at first, but most of the ground curriculum works amazingly well with the SM dummy.

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I bought the submission master awhile back.. Some patience and resilience and eventually the dummy started to loosen up and my reps for the rubber guard started going through the roof. I've always said for myself that in order for me to be effective during my live rolls, I need repetition... I needed to build the connections through drill!.. With the use of this dummy and a considerable amount of stretching, I noticed steep improvement. + you don't have to sit there and listen to people ...(because your form or execution of the Rubber Guard may initially be off) just knock it all together.

I ordered the submission master yesterday, so soon I'll be drilling my ass off. But, the real question is, since i work 24 hour shifts as a paramedic, and believe me my partners are not fond of drilling, I tried this for a while selling it as a "hey you can learn a little BJJ helping me"! Just awful!They either ask too many questions like, but what if I did this, or they"ll try to just muscle you to keep you from doing the rep, and you know what that means. You gotta first be nice and explain why it wont work if they do this or that, then when they keep doing it because for some reason they always do, then you gotta hand them your business card if you will. Not in shitty way, just to let them know. Then there's tension over the rest of the shift. Any way, I am curious as to the comments I'll get when I roll up with dummy in my car to work! Now obviouslyI will not put a tshirt on my dummy with certain supervisors names written on it as I have joked amongst my friends, because that would probably be recieved as I probably meant it and how can I purchase more jiu jitsu gear without a job or while attending some kind of sensitivety classes!

a updated info on the submission master? Need something to drill with. It's getting stupid at the one gym, no one wants to drill, they just want to bang all thetime (sparring). That doesn't work for me. I need to drill alot and am looking at getting a dummy.

I have it because I travel a lot for work. It's totally legit if you want to keep your muscle memory on point. That's what it does best. When I go to class after being off the grid for a week I still feel like I'm in my comfort zone. Nothing feels awkward or like I've been "out of the loop" for too long. It's all about repetition. I made my own 10P agenda on paper and that's what I drill through each day. I broke it out into 5 sections and do 1 section a day.