Lockdown - I couldn't move much - please help me troubleshoot

Hi, everyone! I am a fan of the 10th Planet system and I like to play the Lockdown. Below is one of my recent matches. Very often, when I play the Lockdown, I find it difficult to move or sweep my opponent especially when they hold me tight and put all their weight on me. As there is no 10th Planet school in my country, can you please look at my video and help me troubleshoot and let me know what I did wrong or could have done better? All feedback is much appreciated. Thanks.

https://youtu.be/MEmemLEbtsg

Looks like you were only trying to hit the electric chair, one of the best lessons I learned is that you need to be able to flow between Lockdown, Butterfly, Dog Fight, etc. based on what your opponent is giving you :)

I am no expert but looks like you need to work on your whip up and whip down and working off your side not flat on your back and like Martin Harris said work multiple attacks. Maybe review the lock down flow chart it shows you most all of your options from the lock down.

All of us Ronins have been in that exact spot, you wanted that Electric Chair finish so bad you missed out on other opportunities. To get to the EC there are a couple things, first the whip up part could've been better and bringing his body more over you which would've helped with his good base and balance and secondly if you can swing your left arm through the other side when you had his leg and used a Heisman with the whip this would've possibly gotten you there. But more importantly start working on getting out to Dog Fight or using your butterfly's and getting your guard back or sweeps from there. Drilling those steps will help you a lot. Hope this helps.

You wanna get really good at whipping your legs back and forth, and up and down. This is how you move him, but it's also how you move your own hips. The lack of hip mobility is the major criticism of the Lockdown. It's a valid one, if the only way you know to move your hips is the traditional shrimp movement. But if you can get a grasp of how to move your hips while you're attached to him you'll open up a whole new set of possibilities.

Thanks for the advice guys! When my opponent smashes me and I am on my back, should I try to shift my hip to 1 side, so that 1 ass is slightly off the ground....in order to get more mobility?

How do I improve my whip-up? If my opponents are bigger and stronger, and they squeeze me real tight, I find it difficult to whip-up and very often I get stuck in the Lockdown.

You need to use perfect double under hooks around the waist. Tightly ! Then whip up and down and around make him have to base with his ands or a hand on the mat. The moves your hips and shrimp to the side. Then attack.. Where you are he can keep you pinned.

I've had very similar problems, usually against a really tight neck hug. My advice would be to aim for the perfect Electric Underhooks positioning, obviously, but if you can't achieve it then take note of what your opponent is doing to prevent it and react accordingly.

If you're being hit with a serious neck hug (like at 0:56 of your video), rotate onto your left hip and attack the 50 sweep. Also keep an eye out here for opportunities for the Apollo and a transition to the heel hook.

At 2:07 of your video, your opponent is just giving you a free Dogfight. He's even sitting on the leg that he's going to need for base, so that would be a prime time to pop up and hit him with a Half and Half / Knee Tap sweep.

Since I started incorporating Dogfight transitions into my game about a year ago, it's really increased my ability to sweep from bottom half since my opponent can't just defend the Electric Chair non-stop.

Also, of course keep an eye out for opportunities for:
Stomp Transitions
Full Guard recovery
Back Takes (they don't have a whizzer in)
Mechanic Sweeps
COP Sweeps
Butterfly sweeps to counter his Twister Pass attempts

If you haven't seen it, there was a thread on here a while back about Lucas Leite's half guard wizardry. Here's the link to part 1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dy0YIB2_A1Q

Good luck!

Reps, Reps, Reps... find a good partner to train with and rep the hell out of it. All good points above, the other thing I would add is that you don't seem in sync. Your movements should all work together like one entity. He posted the hand, preventing the roll, you've got to feel that and just know that the hand is there. When he moved the hand, you were flat on your back and didn't reset, still holding that under hook, back track and whip up again. Electric Chair has become so popular but you should check everything along the way. There were opportunities for dog fight and old school. The positives outweigh the negatives for sure. You got into position right away and your opponent was in survival mode. He never did anything.

Pay attention to the mini stomp game, and pay attention to "bump, slide, whip, take out the far post". Like all games, work them out on the newbies, master them on new white belts. If you can't run a lockdown clinic on newbies then don't expect it to work on guys at your level. The lockdown game is huge and takes an obsession to master.

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Pay attention to the mini stomp game, and pay attention to "bump, slide, whip, take out the far post". Like all games, work them out on the newbies, master them on new white belts. If you can't run a lockdown clinic on newbies then don't expect it to work on guys at your level. The lockdown game is huge and takes an obsession to master.

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I personally get the old school a lot. Simple but effective.

Less important is the stretch and extension of the lockdown, which is where people make the mistake. More important is the knee pinch and hook foot giving you the mobility to move back and forth. Lie on the floor legs extended all the way without anyone and whip your legs back and forth... It's fucking really hard. Now give your kneeS some bend and focus on pinching your thighs together and make the same motion. You're fighting your own body most of that match. With a little modification it'll really allow you to be more mobile on the bottom.

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Less important is the stretch and extension of the lockdown, which is where people make the mistake. More important is the knee pinch and hook foot giving you the mobility to move back and forth.

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Great points.. I know I have been making this mistake lately!

Thank you everyone for the feedback. I really appreciate it. Will experiment with the suggestions given and let you guys know if I make any progress.

Thank you Eddie for reading & replying my post! :-) I am a fan of yours and hope to see a 10th Planet school here one day.

Hey Brother, the first thing to do is to follow each of the advice, and find which game initially works for you. Work your whip down, having the elecrtric underhooks (that already you had), and transition to dogfight, or oldschool. if you are commited with the EC, and the guy base that left leg, what works for me is to bring the guy to me, forcing him to put at least one arm over my head (depending if you were able to get the left underhook or overhook), but pretty much that gives me space to regain my electric underhooks, on mts 104 some stuff on ministomps will help you a little. The lockdown already saved me from many, since i didnt train for a while.

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Originally Posted by John Mejia

Less important is the stretch and extension of the lockdown, which is where people make the mistake. More important is the knee pinch and hook foot giving you the mobility to move back and forth. Lie on the floor legs extended all the way without anyone and whip your legs back and forth... It's fucking really hard. Now give your kneeS some bend and focus on pinching your thighs together and make the same motion. You're fighting your own body most of that match. With a little modification it'll really allow you to be more mobile on the bottom.

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This is big. I didn't notice this in the beginning, but after one private class with a 10th planet brown belt my lockdown game skyrocketed.

the slide aspect of the flow change my LD game once I worked out where to put it - Make a conscious effort to get under him the hips

In addition to the many solid suggestions that you have already been given, let's not forget the Super Stomp. That's the technique to use when your half-guard game fails. Sometimes your game gets stuffed and you should move elsewhere.

I watched the original video, and you could have taken the Dogfight easily a couple of times. To me, and this has been said in this post previously but it can't be said enough, you have to be able to go back and forth between the Electric Chair and the Dogfight fluidly to have an Electric Chair game that will work consistently.

Looks to me like the left underhook was kept in too long, if u wanna electric sweep you have to lose the underhook and get the armto the other side clearing his body with a check to the pit and then posting on the elbow...if you have the underhook in then you do the oldschool....its either or but if you try to do both he just flatens you out..

It also looks like going to dogfight was also available, which you have to let go of the lockdown....

Looks to me like the left underhook was kept in too long, if u wanna electric sweep you have to lose the underhook and get the armto the other side clearing his body with a check to the pit and then posting on the elbow...if you have the underhook in then you do the oldschool....its either or but if you try to do both he just flatens you out..

It also looks like going to dogfight was also available, which you have to let go of the lockdown....