Originally Posted by
Andrew Maxwell
First off, don't get me wrong I like Judo and have nothing bad to say about it, I'm just defending greco. Now, as for submissions there are lots of submissions that come from wrestling, such as the twister which is a move wrestlers call a guillotine and wrestlers also use alot of different chokes to control the head, just watch Hughes vs. Almeida. Not to mention even wrestling greats like Dan Gable traces his wrestling roots back to old catch wrestlers like Karl Gotch, Billy Riley, and Billy Robinson who trained MMA fighters like Kazushi Sakuraba and Josh Barnett. Lastly, there is no such thing as lay and pray in greco-roman wrestling, thats called passivity and results in penalty. Lay and pray exists in MMA and yes some wrestlers do use it as a tactic to nullify there opponents game, but don't blame the wrestler for doing what the rules allow. Either the rules need to change and give passivity penalties to for those tactics, or fighters need to learn to stand up, defend takedowns, or find ways to force submissions on dominate wrestlers. The fighter being layed and prayed on is as much to blame for the boring fight as the one doing the lay and pray.