Question for lockdown

So I try to get the lock down as much as possible when in half guard, but people are starting to realize that I like the lock down so they are hiding their leg ( I call it triangling but whatever), I`m always not sure what to do from there. How can I get it back? Should I just abandon trying to lockdown and do what I used to do? I usually try to get my lockdown back which opens up my legs a bit then they pass my half guard to side control..and side control sucks balls..

Also do you think its best to go for old school first, then plan b then electric sweep or electric, old school, plan b? I`ve been at 5.0 or whatever but it never worked for me yet.

If I really can not reach the leg to get the lockdown, I try some sweeps from traditional half, just to make him work and probably base out. Maybe work for double underhooks if i don't have that yet, then maybe get the lockdown later. Sometimes I get the sweep, sometimes it just makes him forget about the lockdown, and then I get it. Of course, sometimes I just get smashed too :-).
What I do when i get the lockdown, depends on where his free leg is after the whipup. Old school is my first option, if that fails i try the electric chair. If he's based out on his foot, i C cup his leg and go for plan b. I rarely try for 5.0, i often find it hard to get his arm pinned to his back. When the electric chair fails i try to get to stoner control.

flow like water brah

now is your chance to develop trad half and butterfly. and when they get hip to that they will forget about your lockdown game.

build every part of your game

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Originally Posted by Andrew Sarasin

So I try to get the lock down as much as possible when in half guard, but people are starting to realize that I like the lock down so they are hiding their leg ( I call it triangling but whatever), I`m always not sure what to do from there. How can I get it back? Should I just abandon trying to lockdown and do what I used to do? I usually try to get my lockdown back which opens up my legs a bit then they pass my half guard to side control..and side control sucks balls..

Also do you think its best to go for old school first, then plan b then electric sweep or electric, old school, plan b? I`ve been at 5.0 or whatever but it never worked for me yet.

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These all depend on where his leg is positioned.

Work your Z Guard/93 Guard/ Shield Guard as well as traditional half. It'll open up mad butterfly sweeps and at least once you get your butterfly's in you can go back to full guard if that's your style. (not mine)

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Originally Posted by John Mejia

These all depend on where his leg is positioned.

Work your Z Guard/93 Guard/ Shield Guard as well as traditional half. It'll open up mad butterfly sweeps and at least once you get your butterfly's in you can go back to full guard if that's your style. (not mine)

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SUPER STOMP ALL DAY. really get good at going right to superstomp right away when you cannot establish your lockdown. if you are stuck playing Traditional Half because he is "hiding" his leg from getting locked down, your inside leg is already Curling so the super stomp is there

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Originally Posted by Andrew Alexander

SUPER STOMP ALL DAY. really get good at going right to superstomp right away when you cannot establish your lockdown. if you are stuck playing Traditional Half because he is "hiding" his leg from getting locked down, your inside leg is already Curling so the super stomp is there

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Good Call on that!

As soon as a i feel the pass coming, liek with a Dominator, no hand, etc, i go immediatly to Super Stomp and try and get to butterfly or sweep ASAP. if that makes sense lol
:)

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Originally Posted by Tony Toffolo

flow like water brah

now is your chance to develop trad half and butterfly. and when they get hip to that they will forget about your lockdown game.

build every part of your game

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This is my line of thought. I try not to fight for things unless I really don't know another option. But when I have a lot of options, I tend to just go with the path of least resistance. Favorite thing to do from trad half guard is to transition to Popovitch deep half and either sweep or kneebar. Very high percentage for me and it's super simple.

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Originally Posted by David Rosado

This is my line of thought. I try not to fight for things unless I really don't know another option. But when I have a lot of options, I tend to just go with the path of least resistance. Favorite thing to do from trad half guard is to transition to Popovitch deep half and either sweep or kneebar. Very high percentage for me and it's super simple.

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Traditional Half=Guard passed
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Or Kneebar'd

sounds a lot like the same path of mastering the rubber guard dvd, i just looked at it after posting this again.
thx. But stoner control offers some illegal moves for blue belt and under like calf crusher, so im not sure what else can be done from there, never tryed stoner control though, Im getting there sometime soon.

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Originally Posted by Ringo Lagrange

If I really can not reach the leg to get the lockdown, I try some sweeps from traditional half, just to make him work and probably base out. Maybe work for double underhooks if i don't have that yet, then maybe get the lockdown later. Sometimes I get the sweep, sometimes it just makes him forget about the lockdown, and then I get it. Of course, sometimes I just get smashed too :-).
What I do when i get the lockdown, depends on where his free leg is after the whipup. Old school is my first option, if that fails i try the electric chair. If he's based out on his foot, i C cup his leg and go for plan b. I rarely try for 5.0, i often find it hard to get his arm pinned to his back. When the electric chair fails i try to get to stoner control.

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There is a Arm Triangle from stoner control as well, totally legal :)
Pg. 70 of Mastering the Rubber Guard

my butterfly is actually good compared to last yr, I actually triped someone in my competition with some wierd butterfly move lol. I have the vid but it doesnt let me upload it here.

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Originally Posted by Tony Toffolo

flow like water brah

now is your chance to develop trad half and butterfly. and when they get hip to that they will forget about your lockdown game.

build every part of your game

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I ll definately try butterfly stuff, i forget to hook the leg properly with super stomp though, ill try it tomorrow. then ill try the new mts stuff (gogoclinch :))thx

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Originally Posted by Andrew Alexander

As soon as a i feel the pass coming, liek with a Dominator, no hand, etc, i go immediatly to Super Stomp and try and get to butterfly or sweep ASAP. if that makes sense lol
:)

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man i gotta get that book, probably the only book i dont have.

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Originally Posted by Andrew Alexander

There is a Arm Triangle from stoner control as well, totally legal :)
Pg. 70 of Mastering the Rubber Guard

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Originally Posted by Andrew Alexander

Traditional Half=Guard passed
:D
Or Kneebar'd

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When I think trad half I think the details that Cyborg goes over in this video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n0cRb-0GSh8

It's the same way Popovitch does it for his style of deep half. So for me it doesn't really get passed or kneebarred. And when guys attempt to kneebar, it's easy to counter because I'm not restricting my legs.

That might not be traditional half. I just don't know what else to call it. Cyborg half? Lol. Either way, it's good money. I suck and it works for me very well, so that's saying a lot.

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Originally Posted by Andrew Sarasin

man i gotta get that book, probably the only book i dont have.

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Man that's honestly the most important one!

93 guard is what saves me

never herd of it.

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Originally Posted by Drew Ash

93 guard is what saves me

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Whats the difference between the mastering the rubber guard and Advanced mastering the rubber guard? Is there the same stuff in the original in the advanced one? I dont want to end up buying the advanced one and finding out it doesn`t have the basics.

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Originally Posted by John Mejia

Man that's honestly the most important one!

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Godfather.

You need the foot for the Godather.

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Originally Posted by Andrew Sarasin

Whats the difference between the mastering the rubber guard and Advanced mastering the rubber guard? Is there the same stuff in the original in the advanced one? I dont want to end up buying the advanced one and finding out it doesn`t have the basics.

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I have found both MTRG & ARG are important and compliment each other. If you can't find the MTRG Book anymore, get the DVD's.

Yeah I can't believe MTRG is OOP. Like holy crap. I am glad I bought mine when I did.

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Originally Posted by bobby rivers

You need the foot for the Godather.

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I think I'm imagining a different hide than what might be happening. Normally I can catch the godfather when they bend their knee to bring their foot in away from the lockdown.

When people try to hide their leg so that I can't use lockdown, I bring my outside leg up high so that it crosses over the back of their knee. Then I use my inside leg to look for the leg they are hiding. I'll look like I'm almost in lotus.

When I connect my inside leg with their hidden leg, I straighten out my top leg and we're back in lockdown (as the good Lord intended). Then I give the trapped leg an extra squeeze and tell them not to try that shit anymore - it just pisses me off.

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Originally Posted by scottross

When people try to hide their leg so that I can't use lockdown, I bring my outside leg up high so that it crosses over the back of their knee. Then I use my inside leg to look for the leg they are hiding. I'll look like I'm almost in lotus.

When I connect my inside leg with their hidden leg, I straighten out my top leg and we're back in lockdown (as the good Lord intended). Then I give the trapped leg an extra squeeze and tell them not to try that shit anymore - it just pisses me off.

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Vid please sir. The shoulder crush was a game changer. You are a badass.

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Originally Posted by scottross

When people try to hide their leg so that I can't use lockdown, I bring my outside leg up high so that it crosses over the back of their knee. Then I use my inside leg to look for the leg they are hiding. I'll look like I'm almost in lotus.

When I connect my inside leg with their hidden leg, I straighten out my top leg and we're back in lockdown (as the good Lord intended). Then I give the trapped leg an extra squeeze and tell them not to try that shit anymore - it just pisses me off.

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I think i love you scott

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Originally Posted by scottross

When people try to hide their leg so that I can't use lockdown, I bring my outside leg up high so that it crosses over the back of their knee. Then I use my inside leg to look for the leg they are hiding. I'll look like I'm almost in lotus.

When I connect my inside leg with their hidden leg, I straighten out my top leg and we're back in lockdown (as the good Lord intended). Then I give the trapped leg an extra squeeze and tell them not to try that shit anymore - it just pisses me off.

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Yeah, I think I know what is going on here but Im not 100% sure. Vid would be nice

I like the extra squeeze with an encouraging message part. I forget how uncomfortable lockdown can be when no one is using it on me

A any point they start to knee slice past your half guard

http://youtu.be/Klv8x70wvIg

I have the DVD for mtrg and twister. I c it's on the store on the website, it's much cheaper than amazon.

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Originally Posted by NameLikeNoOther

I have found both MTRG & ARG are important and compliment each other. If you can't find the MTRG Book anymore, get the DVD's.

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Originally Posted by scottross

When people try to hide their leg so that I can't use lockdown, I bring my outside leg up high so that it crosses over the back of their knee. Then I use my inside leg to look for the leg they are hiding. I'll look like I'm almost in lotus.

When I connect my inside leg with their hidden leg, I straighten out my top leg and we're back in lockdown (as the good Lord intended). Then I give the trapped leg an extra squeeze and tell them not to try that shit anymore - it just pisses me off.

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I think we do the same thing. Basically I put lockdown high on their thigh and then force their leg down by extending it all. It is a fight sometimes for sure.

Never thought of it, I'll start trying it after Sunday, I have another competition so now is not the time to start new things I guess. True like everyone says a video would be great but your response is definitely better than nothing, thanks again Scott!
And you will disappointed to know that I lost to ankle lock 30 th of august, kind of ironic lol. But I ve been practicing getting out so I should be fine Sunday.

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Originally Posted by scottross

When people try to hide their leg so that I can't use lockdown, I bring my outside leg up high so that it crosses over the back of their knee. Then I use my inside leg to look for the leg they are hiding. I'll look like I'm almost in lotus.

When I connect my inside leg with their hidden leg, I straighten out my top leg and we're back in lockdown (as the good Lord intended). Then I give the trapped leg an extra squeeze and tell them not to try that shit anymore - it just pisses me off.

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