First one in this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oUiKjAgkOHs
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First one in this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oUiKjAgkOHs
Me like turkeywrap.
I love the turkey wrap. Been landing this for years and on some really, really good guys too. I use a different setup, as I mentioned earlier, I attack a kneebar first, and have these 2 compression locks waiting in the wings for each escape.. :)
I've seen some injuries from compression locks, and I accidentally broke someone myself with this turkey wrap. I 100% agree with zogs list. With that said, a well applied compression lock can break bones and rip ligaments, I'm sure zog will agree you can break stuff with a quality compression lock..
Absolutely, the first thing that usually goes is the bursa which is extrememly painful followed by any number of tendon, ligament and structural damage.
The reason I put it so high on the list as some people have a way higher pain tolerance to this type of submission, It doesn't mean they won't get injured, it means they might fight it all the way to the point of an injury.
I learn so much better from watching videos like this that have multiple "what if" scenarios on a single move. Whether the opponent keeps his leg straight or bent, you have an answer for it. Too often you'll see people teach a single move and then move on to a completely different move without explaining what to do if your opponent doesn't just go along with it like he would in practice. Then you feel like "oh, this move just doesn't work or is low percentage". Even if the person teaches you the counter later on, I feel like its harder to piece it together.
I agree with you Tom. I prefer wen an instructor teaches more than just the technique. I like when he will teach more of the system around the move. Why you would go to that move te small details that make it work and the concepts around it. I know Ryan Hall takes shots at 10th a planet but his instructionals are right up my alley because of the way he teaches.
Sooo, I was brainstorming more entries to the turkey wrap. What ya think about off of a crop duster? Passing the butterfly's like that you are pretty close to one. Just had this idea 30 seconds ago? Anyone played with this? Zog whatcha think? I haven't had a human body yet to try my idea before asking so I apologize if the idea is preposterous and been squashed in the past.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pHujf-oSlBs
Hmmm at what point would you set up your grip? After you put your shin across and before the pass?
After 2 Zoginars, my go-to for leg locks is the hand pressing foot flex from either the wedge or knee knot. I really like calf crushers too, especially from the truck.
Def agree with the 5050 sentiment. I put a little bit of focus on it but it felt like too even of a battle. So now when I get there I use the Caio terra escape and get the F out. I was more so thinking of the Deep Half and Inverted Guard DVD when i was typing that.
Whats your go to Yockel?
I'm excited to try it on better opponents tonight. :)
... Or I could have forced a move that isn't there on a white belt.. Lol. I just figured I'd ask what the fellow leg lockers thought of it first. Zog, thoughts? Yokel? Anyone?
I've been liking the Toe Hold from Z-Guard
If you are referring to High legging (like a capoeira pass) right after you bring the knee over from the slice (essentially putting your self in top 1/4 guard). Scott, Travis and I all attack the legs from there but all a bit differently. Scott prefers the over/under ankle lock(Texas Clover leaf) and ham sandwichs from there, Travis loves high legging to Russian Cowboy for knee bars and knee compressions from there, and I usually attack straight ankles,foot flexes and toe holds from there.
Or are you talking about a seated knee compression keeping the butterfly before you knee slice?
WTF man 8 years old, Unreal
http://youtu.be/9h6I7YcMK38
This is not only one of the best passes to the 50/50 but also e legitimate 50/50 heal hook counter if done correctly. This is a great video of this, is legwork here is great. When I first started doing this, I just sprawled out of the legs, but that creates a guard recovery scramble. This leg work to the leg drag position is better and is how I do it now. :)
I hit it in the Pro Division at Kakuto here. Fast forward to 5:40. Love this sub
http://youtu.be/UAbWmpccYPk
My heads about to explode taking all this in, lucky it's my day off tomorrow and can review this at a snails pace :) thanks for the knowledge.
Just like I showed it, perfect! Hugged the heel the whole time....no where to go!
Starts at the 9:02 Mark:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJUDvwUT6xg
Eddie this is the exact escape I was talking about. Seriously a high percentage escape/pass for me. I don't get stuck in 5050 anymore at all and it translates very well to no gi. I just get a death grip on the wrist go foot on the bicep and theres a huge hole to kick that leg over and pass.
So I have a Crucifix set up from the Capoiera pass that I really need to sell the leg lock to make my opponent react correctly. So now I'm just going to start really attacking the legs from there and the Crucifix will be a plan B if the opportunity presents itself. Dewitt showed me a good kneebar from there but I was wondering what are some other good attacks from that position? I know the reverse heel hook is there as well but havent been able to get it.
Yes there is a bunch both Yockel and I have different stuff we attack from there. I either use it as an entry to Russian Cowboy or go a clamp to straight ankle lock/heel hook. Scott has a whole series off a Texas Clover leaf,heel hool and a bunch of other good shit from there that he hits alot.
The Capeoira Cowboy starts at 15:11 Mark:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JEtywzT0JjY
We'll be shooting Scotts stuff in a future epsiode.
this really is the ultimate leg lock thread. i feel like when i get over to murrica to train with you guys, my lower body game will feel like something below a white belt level in comparison. i do a few basic straight foot locks and ive had some success with them. and watching some dean lister helped but hot diggity, reading about all these techniques, its like finally feeling like youre getting through MTRG and then all of a sudden a much more in depth newer and more technical version comes out and you realise that what seem like heaps before is really a fleck of dirt on a mountain of information.
in saying that, did you really and i mean REALLY have to name these techniques after food. its 3am in the morning and all i can think about is getting me some turkey subs from subway. awesome thread. lower body stuff is definitely coming up on my list of important shit to learn and practice.
Eddie and I came up with the Turkey Wrap when I showed it too him, he asked if it was the same think as the Ham Sandwhich. I explained the diffrences (the different angle, stretching the legs vs leg curls etc.) and after about 2 or 3 different ideas Turkey Wrap stuck.
Anybody played with this back take yet from reverse cowboy with the wrong arm hook in?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nmaRUW7-3PI