And besides. "Only one Republican has won the straw poll and gone on to occupy the Oval Office: George W. Bush"
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And besides. "Only one Republican has won the straw poll and gone on to occupy the Oval Office: George W. Bush"
what is so entertaining about Ron Paul coming in second by a slim margin? This is the guy that the media claims doesn't stand a chance but continues to win major polls or rank highly in them.
there are a few policies of Ron Paul that I disagree with. One is building a wall on the mexican border. That has never worked and never will. It didn't work with the great wall of china, and it didn't work with the Berlin wall. There's an old quote, "those who don't listen to history are doomed to repeat it". He's also not very environmentally friendly and has been quoted saying he does not believe that global warming is a major issue. I believe there is enough evidence that it is.
That being said, Ron Pauls other policies make a lot of sense, and one great thing about him is that he stands by them. He is also an economical genius. His seperation of church and state policy doesen't bother me because he's not shoving his beliefs down anyones throat. He's just giving people the option to express their religion. He also wants to demilitarize the U.S. around the world which will save HUGE amounts of money. And if you look at Rome, one of the reasons of it's downfall was because it overextended it's military, and the U.S. has a looooot of parallels with Rome. And remember that quote about those doomed to repeat history.
The most important part about him is that he is a genius in economics, and was able to predict many things that have happened to the economy as of late, and stood by these statements while others laughed in his face and saw him as a joke. He knows the fed is a corrupt parasite created for the sole reason of profit of few. He is a genius in this department. and I think thats what the country needs right now. And I'd be willing to overlook all those other "negative" things about him and vote for him for this sole reason.
I normally don't get into political conversations here but I'd like to interject if I may. It's not the fact (alone) that Ron Paul is a creationist that makes him dangerous. It is his complete inability to look at fact after fact after fact that completely and utterly destroys the silly 6 - 10 thousand year old earth "story" because of his religious beliefs. So knowing he already suffers from cognitive dissonance we have to expect his decision making will be marred in all facets. If he is looking to a book written by savages in a time where the general consensus was the world was flat and the sun orbited the earth, I find it hardly acceptable that he takes on the role of the most powerful man in the world. He obviously does not have the ability to look past his superstitions and make decisions based on logic, reason, and critical thinking. And with the problems America is facing - a magic sky daddy is not the answer, reason, logic, and critical thinking is.
So don't be so naive to say his "beliefs" don't affect his leadership skills. Because EVERY decision he makes starts with his beliefs and moves forward from there.
Amen!!!
amazing I agree with corky double AMEN!!
and agree with chris ludington to if someone is blatanly shown proof of evolution and science and the universe's beauty yet still CHOOSE to believe in fairy tales from a book written by man but still say it was written by GOD than I don't care who you are political leader or homeless druggie bum something is haywire in your brain the only reason people will argue is because
1) you yourself have a broken brain (lol sounds funny) and believe in fairy tales
2)you have friends or very close family who have broken brains and would not like to think such things about them so you say things like "a persons beliefs doesn't matter or doesn't make them"
now this doesn't apply to everyone only to the people who see proof and presented with evidence yet still CHOOSE to rely on faith even though science is pretty much slapping you in the face with it that's who I'm referring to
This article fails to mention the 6K concert tickets she had to give away to get these votes...and she still only wins by 150 votes.
WRT religion....you guys should be a little more respectful to people who are spiritual. I mean you dont have to believe shit but jeez its a huge turn off to see people being disrespectful to other peoples beliefs and quite frankly it makes me feel a little unwelcome.
So it's ok for you guys to be Christian but if you believe in creation then it's a step too far? You guys got on your notes "in god we trust" and I don't recall people shitting on any president for mentioning god or referring to biblical parts...
Seems like you guys are a bit bias on the subject
Sorting out the country and the world is the problem right now, religion not so much.
Personally I would love nothing more than an outspoken atheist become our next president. That won't happen in my lifetime I don't think. But living in a country where one has as much right to believe as they do to not believe also affords the president the right to mention his beliefs while speaking. The line is drawn when the government "officially" names one religion the religion of the people. Having said that, I personally don't strike too many points off for religious beliefs as I too was indoctrinated at a young age and understand the power religion has over a person.
But creationism is pure ignorance of proven facts. And when choosing a candidate for my next president, I HAVE to take into consideration the amount of data available to ALL Americans about our earth's history. From a purely educational perspective (nevermind religion) I find it disturbing that any educated person can hold on to the 6 - 10k year old earth belief. There is SO much evidence to the contrary that only a religious zealot could possibly still hold that belief. And I do NOT want a zealot in charge of the largest and baddest military on the planet.
+1 William
When you say things like magic sky daddy, superstitions, and they way you came across when you say "I'll refrain from posting my original response" makes it sound like you have no respect for other peoples beliefs. It makes it sound like you think they are retarded for entertaining any notion other than yours. I mean i dont personally believe in what Ron believes in but hey who am i to judge. I want to be as respectful as possible so maybe we should just stop because i don't really want to get into a huge blown out of proportion fight over this...
Franklin Roosevelt was a christian, and that pretty much goes hand in hand. Theres not a doubt in my mind that Roosevelt didn't believe in evolution either despite the overwhelming evidence that was shown by Charles Darwin. That didn't keep him from getting the country out of a great depression.
if you think ron paul is going to stop the illuminati you are mistaken
seems to me that his knowledge and understanding of economics, his views and voting records on liberty, wars, and foreign policy are far more important than if he believes in a "magic sky daddy"
seriously folks, we can think of better reasons to vote for or against a candidate...
His lack of equality leaves a sour taste in my mouth
Which is why nobody should vote for him
He doesnt approve of gay marriage
Or gay adoption
And he doesnt think women should have as many rights as they have today
Ron Paul on the Civil Rights Act of 1964
to paraphrase;
the CRA trampled the rights of property owners and increased tensions rather than diffused them. Property rights are one of the major rights protected by the constitution. Business owners should be allowed to serve or not serve anyone they want to for whatever reason they want. They should not be forced into commerce with anyone and the CRA forced business owners to do just that. Ron Paul believed that over time, relations between whites and minorities would have improved and if some business owner had a "blacks only" or "whites only" sign at his business today, he wouldnt be in business long because no one would shop there.
Keep in mind governments made segregation laws and laws oppressive to women and minorities that had to be repealed. Instead of simply repealing the laws, the government went in the entire opposite direction. Ron believes that the government should have made none of these such laws to begin with and let the markets and society dictate, not governments and bureaucracies.
It doesnt matter if he approves or disapproves of gay marriage, he believes each state should decide whether gay marriage should be legal or not. If its illegal in your state, get the laws changed or move to where its legal. Freedom of choice is beautiful.
and your last statement as an absolute unsubstantiated fallacy.
No
If this country wants to get over the shit problems we need to do it as a whole
Cuz if we have it legalized in one state and not another
People are gonna get married in the other states but nothave it recognized in the state they live in.......
Or male/female couples that want a child arent allowed to
Same with abortion
Someone will go out of state to get one
Then a law will pass that makes it illegal to do out of state
And then people will get locked up for stupid shit....
Its stupid
And he is a conservative
So probably wont take anything with god out of the constitution
Or the currency
Or the pledge
Hes a shit choice along with every other repub and liberal running
GREEN PARTY 2012!!!!!!
And you arent making sense that is selective freedom
If its legal in one state make it fucking legal in every state
How old are you Brent? Can you even vote?
My mom told me not to give info to strangers
it doesn't really work like that (or at least it shouldn't) according to the constitution. The federal government should not have more power than the state government but unfortunately it sort of has. Fortunately, there have been movements by the states to push back, much of it surrounds issues like legalization and immigration. States rights supersede all, that's how the framers of the constitution wanted because they knew it would maximize individual liberty and reduce the ability of the federal government to attempt to take control.
what you are talking about creates major problems. one size certainly does not fit all. what works in NY city will not work in small town Alabama. I personally do not like the idea of some bureaucrat 1000 miles away deciding laws and policies that effect me and my family when he hasn't even been to or heard of my town or city. I want the folks I elect democratically from the area, living in the area, familiar with our values and way of life making these decisions.
Naw im good
This isnt more power... This is just deciding what is morally right
The only people that have a problem with gay rights are creationists
who decides what's morally right?
it would be uber rich bureaucrats who do not understand (or give 2 shits about) life in your neck of the woods.
after he decides that gay marriage and abortions are legal what's next? one child policies like china or weight standards?
its a slippery slope bro.
I dont see a problem though with gay rights
His religious views dont bother me so much unless he somehow altered the constitution or federal laws and made people pray and shit
If he wins (hopefully not) it will only be cuz potheads want marijuana legal (which i support btw)
Also logic would tell us whats morally right
We know it isnt right to kill humans because of there religious beliefs (most sane people have that view)
And most sane people know its morally correct to let another human being be able to wed the same sex, and adopt a child that will be fucked in the head because he was raised in an orphanage
And yet here you are voting for him because he promises to release criminals.....
he is a champion of the constitution he would make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.
i don't get where you get this vibe that he is just some religious zealot. He has stated his beliefs but he also comes back and reiterates that it is irrelevant what he believes because the constitution does not give the government power to regulate what religious views people are allowed to have or any thing of the sort.
He simply wants you and me to be as free as possible and hes a financial genius so he could begin to fix the debt crisis. another caveat is he supports the legalization of marijuana.