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    Quote Originally Posted by Kevin Gibbs View Post
    That's one woman. I was referring to the general state of women's MMA. Compare the number of high level women wrestlers in MMA to that of men's MMA. The difference is staggering.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kevin Gibbs View Post
    There are many more on top of these.

    Hidehiko Yoshida gold 92, 5th 96

    Satoshi Ishii gold 08

    Makoto Takimoto gold 00'

    Jung Bu-Kyung silver 00' (notable for going 0-4)

    Naoya Ogawa silver 92'

    Hiroshi Izumi silver 04'

    Paweł Nastula gold 96

    Kim Min-Soo silver 96
    I stand corrected

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    Double leg wrestler takedowns were the staple in the earlier days of MMA. It is pretty easy to stuff if you can see it coming and there are less than a handful people man or women, competing in MMA that can apply them at will.
    Best and the most succesfull wrestlers who won championships and were not plagued by being mind numbingly boring while they wrestled are Dan Henderson and Randy Couture and they both prefer clinch work and takedowns to shooting from one side of the cage and landing with your opponent on the other side of the cage trying to get your head out of a guillotine. Even Chael Sonnen who has a sloppy less flash looking but an extremly effective double, executes more clinch takedowns since they are usually harder to stuff and once they are stuffed you are not stuck under the guy.
    Every passing day I see more clinch work and less outside freestyle wrestling takedowns so Judo could esaly be the next side martial art added to the regular training regimen of an MMA fighter.

    Also understand one thing. MMA fighters do not train wrestling so they can take their opponent down. Most fighters who want to use their wrestling for takedowns are already collegiate wrestlers. The majority of the MMA fighters learn wrestling as a defensive technique and be able to have solid top control. It is very similar to Pat Barry working on his Jiujitsu, he is getting good at it, but reason behind his training is not to flap like a fish out of water when he is on the bottom.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AndyK5 View Post
    Double leg wrestler takedowns were the staple in the earlier days of MMA. It is pretty easy to stuff if you can see it coming and there are less than a handful people man or women, competing in MMA that can apply them at will.
    Best and the most succesfull wrestlers who won championships and were not plagued by being mind numbingly boring while they wrestled are Dan Henderson and Randy Couture and they both prefer clinch work and takedowns to shooting from one side of the cage and landing with your opponent on the other side of the cage trying to get your head out of a guillotine. Even Chael Sonnen who has a sloppy less flash looking but an extremly effective double, executes more clinch takedowns since they are usually harder to stuff and once they are stuffed you are not stuck under the guy.
    Every passing day I see more clinch work and less outside freestyle wrestling takedowns so Judo could esaly be the next side martial art added to the regular training regimen of an MMA fighter.

    Also understand one thing. MMA fighters do not train wrestling so they can take their opponent down. Most fighters who want to use their wrestling for takedowns are already collegiate wrestlers. The majority of the MMA fighters learn wrestling as a defensive technique and be able to have solid top control. It is very similar to Pat Barry working on his Jiujitsu, he is getting good at it, but reason behind his training is not to flap like a fish out of water when he is on the bottom.
    I agree. There has to be a answer for fighters like K J Noons who can beat most standing and are really good at stuffing takedowns.

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