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    Sam Sales

    In closing, I will stay true to classic form (familiar to those of you who have had to
    suffer through me teaching a class) and repeat myself: the martial arts
    experience, as well as life in general, is not some sort of zero sum, winner take
    all game. It is not me versus you wherein I get mine while the getting is good
    and justify my actions by convincing myself that you would have done the same
    to me were you given the chance. It is about attempting to live rightly, growing
    as a person, treating others as you would hope to be treated. It’s me versus me
    in my struggle to be a better, stronger person—the kind of person who can help
    others along their path the same way that good people have helped me on mine.
    Never, ever, let anyone convince you otherwise.
    Proud to be a part of the 97%,
    Ryan Hall

    http://livingthemartialarts.com/wp-c...ommunity-2.pdf


    Have to say, very well written indeed. :-)

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    Wow...I have to say...that has made me change my perspective on LI!

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    None of this is LI fault. Personal responsibility lies on those who committed to action. This is like blaming the guy who sold me a knife because I stabbed someone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cody Kietzman View Post
    None of this is LI fault. Personal responsibility lies on those who committed to action. This is like blaming the guy who sold me a knife because I stabbed someone.
    That's overlooking his involvement in the gangbang (rape) of a 17 year old.

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    Quote Originally Posted by David Rosado View Post

    That's overlooking his involvement in the gangbang (rape) of a 17 year old.
    That is a different thing altogether that occurred years ago. LI should be grls accountable for his actions then, not for the actions of others now. I seriously doubt he has a " how to rape class on sat"

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    actually he does

    Quote Originally Posted by Cody Kietzman View Post
    That is a different thing altogether that occurred years ago. LI should be grls accountable for his actions then, not for the actions of others now. I seriously doubt he has a " how to rape class on sat"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric Perez View Post
    actually he does
    I'm injured right now, and this hurt post hurt like hell.

    Damn you Eric..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric Perez View Post
    actually he does
    maybe this will be funny in awhile. . . . for now it made me cringe, too soon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric Perez View Post
    actually he does
    Well shit I got nothing....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cody Kietzman View Post
    That is a different thing altogether that occurred years ago. LI should be grls accountable for his actions then, not for the actions of others now. I seriously doubt he has a " how to rape class on sat"
    I don't think you're familiar with what happened. I'll post some sources so you can check the evidence yourself.

    The 1989 victim in the gang rape case testified that Lloyd Irvin raped her while another man named Gatling was orally sodomizing her. Lloyd Irvin used the defense that he wanted to have sex with her, but that he was impotent. The jury did not convict him, because they weren't sure that the victim could be sure Lloyd penetrated her since the room was so dark and her vision was impaired from the oral sodomy. Everyone else that was charged was sent to prison, although there were likely several other men that participated that were never charged, the victim said it was 7-10 men, and I believe 5 went to prison. Even if Lloyd did not rape her, he himself testified that he would have had he been able to get erect. This brings us to Ryan Hall's point about a person convicted of attempted 1st degree murder is no better than someone convicted, the only difference is that the gun jammed.

    For those that would imply that that it was consensual group sex, well, the physician thought differently, as did 4 separate juries that looked at the case. The woman was threatened to be thrown off the balcony, and she had bruises on her face and a busted lip from being punched.

    This might not have even been discovered, but the day after the arrests Lloyd uploaded all these old rape prevention seminar testimonials. People thought it was to profit off of the tragedy on New Year's Eve. it was worse. He was trying to manipulate the Google rankings with SEO so that people would not find his old case.

    Check out http://www.lloydirvinrapeexposed.com/

    Also here are some old articles.

    http://articles.dailypress.com/1990-...rape-case-girl

    http://articles.dailypress.com/1991-...arrant-charged

    http://articles.dailypress.com/1990-...en-young-woman

    http://articles.dailypress.com/1990-...e-case-two-men

    http://articles.dailypress.com/1991-...ton-university

    http://articles.dailypress.com/1991-...orm-room-trial

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