why are some Bjj schools so resistant to allow 10th planet's system on there mats....

[frank-theman-james]

I find that anytime that I mention that I train 10th planet, that I get a very dismissive attitude. traditional bjj guys will always argue that eddie didnt reinvent juijitsu and that every thing he does comes from his bjj training. And then the Royler argument is always the same that eddie couldnt do it again if he tried. that his win was a fluke and that he used a traditional triangle choke, not 10th planet. I have been in martial arts for a long time and I have not been this excited to be involved with one as much as this one. the simplistic approach to teaching and openness to learning from others is what attracts me to this style above traditional bjj. Not discounting traditional bjj, but rather choosing to take the road less traveled. And as the system grows, options and opportunities will arise for everyone to make that same choice. I'm fortunate enough to have a couple of schools within reach that I can drive a couple of times a month to get my school training in, and at my school, I teach the basics and drill them like crazy. And until a school opens near every one else, just keep drilling and try to get to the seminars as close to you as possible, for any chance to train with instructors will greatly enlighten you and dispel the myths about the ineffectiveness of 10th planet.

[stlnl]

I am curious about the techniques "not being allowed". I have been around BJJ a long time, and like some of Eddies stuff (the half guard stuff I think is great, the other stuff I dont so as much, but its because I dont use closed guard too much) and have never had a single person involved with BJJ for extended periods of time decry the 10th planet stuff.

What I HAVE seen, are some of Bravo's fans way over-inflating some things and more or less start arguments about best and worst, etc. I also have never met a closed minded "traditional" BJJ guy, as in and of itself, the very nature of BJJ isnt traditional, but a constant series of learning, adapting, and changing.

I feel alot of this so called friction comes from white and blue belt level guys from each side trying to be "better" when at the top, the high end guys are open minded to anything that works consistently and can be done to achieve repeatable results.

[michael craig]

i just stated this on fb the other day.....to compete at that level you have to train hours a day...and focus soley on your game..

eddie has classes he teaches,a martial arts association he is building,training figters,giveing seminars all over te world'writeing books,multiple music projects...he is striveing to build something..not trying to win a cheap plastic medal or prove someting he has already proven

in a hundred years no one will care about eddie vs royler II....but in a hunded years when some kid walks into a 10th planet school...thats saying something

[stlnl]

Fear of what is new bjj has been around for what 50 years imagine if you have been studying for 15 years and you go up against a 10th planet purple belt or even a high blue and they wipe the floor with you could you imagine going home that night sitting down and thinking what the fuck have i done with my life for 15 years i would be scared knowing that this new kinda jits has only been around for not even 10+years (correct me if i'm wrong please ) and it kicked my arse man it mind blowing thats my take on it

I think you dont understand the folks who are in BJJ for the long haul if you think anyone would feel that way after getting caught grappling. They would probably take a look at the things that they ran into and work on countering them, or learning more about them. Folks who think like what you just described are of the white and blue belt ranks.....folks who are still trying to count taps in training or too worried about not getting tapped. Also, a guy who is a real blue belt (couple years of training) is probably going to get his ass handed to him by anyone doing BJJ for 15 years consistently.

[John P]

im really glad at this feedback guys, it means a lot. like i said in my opinion i don't feel there should be any right or wrong way of training. The only way we are going to get better is by soaking in everything and learning different styles. I just want to learn the system and be familiar with it, not because it might be better but because it will help me become more aware of the evolving sport.

I did see the video on "bjj view on 10th planet" and that was perfect, it was everything i wanted to hear. no gi isn't better or worse then the gi and bring everything on the mat. I believe he said it perfect when he was talking about the "50/50 guard" and stated....."people are looking to defend it, hell i just want to learn it."

[NelsonLucca]

One thing we sometimes forget, is that the School is also a business. Why would they sell a different product? Instead of thinking, "If I'm open minded to it, I can attract more students" they don't allow it for fear the students will leave.

[Dartangan Jackson]

Look at how through out history people have feared change and went to the extremes to avoid it. I mean for many years people thought the world was flat, and if u didnt agree u were sent to jail or banished from town.The also believed that the earth was the center of the universe and the sun revolved around the earth. When someone brought up a new idea they recieved lots of fury and anger was focused towards them. Alot of people just dont go well with change. I can understand that it would be hard to practice something and go by it for your whole life than bam time to change it up and learn something new. But in my opinion it is more wise to adapt to the change faster and then be on board and have the most experience with it so when it does finally become widely excepted you have the upper hand and are already adjusted.

[D.Stachovak]

Let's face it,it's all about the Gi. You take a decent wrestler,put him in with a BJJ purple,but take the Gi off,he get's tapped maybe once. Put that same guy in a gi,he gets tapped 20 times. Gi and NoGi are 2 seperate,but related sports. I really think some BJJ-ers regard the Gi as the source of their power! Not everyone in "traditional" Jiu Jitsu hates 10th p,but at the school I train at,the Rubber Guard hate runs deep.

"From the old you gain security,but from the new you gain the flow"=Bruce Lee

[Jim Allen]

[watty31]

What I HAVE seen, are some of Bravo's fans way over-inflating some things and more or less start arguments about best and worst, etc. I also have never met a closed minded "traditional" BJJ guy, as in and of itself, the very nature of BJJ isnt traditional, but a constant series of learning, adapting, and changing.
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It's a bit silly just to callout bravo fans. I will agree that lower belts are more likely to argue but I have heard many reports of sensei's dismissing 10th planet. Obviuosly I carn't see the context of the arguements you have had, but considering you have said they are "way over-inflating some things" but at the same time have never tried alot of the 10th planet techniques seems a little suspect that maybe you don't understand the full implications of a technique. I don't want to turn this into a flame war but if you want a nice rational discussion that would be cool.