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    The Japanese Neck Tie

    What is everyone's take on this submission?

    I've had a lot of fun finding new set ups to the Japanese Neck Tie and paths from the Japanese Neck Tie to other game ending submissions.

    From time to time I am asked: "Is this a neck crank or a choke?"

    When I believe the question they truly want answered is: "Is this a legal submission?"

    I typically tell the students, "The Japanese Neck Tie is a Neck Crank with a Choke and it is Legal to use in Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu tournaments."

    My favorite set up is from the dismount xD

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    I use it a fair amount. It's great! If I have time on the clock I'll go for a darce but if I need to hit it quick I'm diving for the JNT all day

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    If a ref is looking even a lil confused, I just call it an arm in guillotine then its all good. I love the jnt. If I'm on top and lock the vice I'm going for it 100%. The only time I transition to the bicep, is on the marce. Which I also love. Yeah, I catch it from dismount, half and turtle most.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeremy Gates View Post
    I use it a fair amount. It's great! If I have time on the clock I'll go for a darce but if I need to hit it quick I'm diving for the JNT all day
    The Japanese Neck Tie is definitely a great place to hold and transition to the D'Arce!

    Quote Originally Posted by bobby rivers View Post
    If a ref is looking even a lil confused, I just call it an arm in guillotine then its all good. I love the jnt. If I'm on top and lock the vice I'm going for it 100%. The only time I transition to the bicep, is on the marce. Which I also love. Yeah, I catch it from dismount, half and turtle most.
    An Arm in Guillotine, that's a great call!

    Typically the rules I compete in state: No Neck Cranks without a Choke

    I give up such a length disadvantage that I typically can only lock up an S-Grip.
    But that's okay! You can surly still finish with just an S-Grip.
    I've come to the point where I actually prefer the S-Grip. . . Almost.
    After finishing so much with the S-Grip, I was able to go full Vice Grip once,
    and I felt like I could take the guys head off if needed.

    Taking the JNT for what it truly is and not calling it a Arm-in-Guillotine, is it a legal submission under the guidelines?:

    No Neck Cranks without a Choke

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    It's a legit choke. We've had a guy put a kid to sleep in a tournament with one.

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    High percentage finish for sure !

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    Jim Burman lands it when they try deep half:


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    I really like it, but lately when I hit it people are saying it is a neck crank. I think it is a matter of an inch or so between pure neck crank and a choke. I am now focusing on getting those arteries cut off. It has really become a solid part of my game, but I don't really want it to be a neck crank, I hate neck cranks.

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    Why do u hate neck cranks?

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