Puppet Master

[La'akea Sanborn]

I dunno, I use this system often, mostly for the sweep, triangle, and kimura. I can't say I've hit in on a black belt or anything, but then again, you can't hit much of anything against the black belts I'm exposed to on a regular. I'm not as qualified as mr herzog, but I feel if you have a strong wrist grip, and loose hips for a mobile half guard/ high guard that leads to omo or gogoplatas this is something that isn't far off the basic path and concept of 10pjj. If you have long legs, and decent dexterity in them, this is a money move against a half guard pass, or when top player tries to force a low leg to the mat and tries to pass on his knees. But that is my humble opinion

[Mario Lopez Alvarez]

I remember watching wolverine's videos back in the day! hahah

Crazy how far we have come. This was the preforum era, back when eddie would still post videos on youtube with technique, and submissions 101 was barely becoming affiliated with 10th planet. I guess those days have come and gone. haha

Interesting to finaly hear about zog and his guys meeting wolverine and rolling with him.

[Eddie Bravo]

I wish all that was high percentage stuff, how cool would THAT be!? Getting your opponent to raise his elbow high enough to fit your foot through is the tough part. It can happen and has happened, Horwich pulled it off in Mma but once ur opponent is hip to it the odds of him raising his elbow that high goes way down. If someone can show me a legit set up please show me ASAP, this all looks awesome. I can get the stock aka sanitarium every once and a while but that's pretty much in the same league as the rubix cube

[Brent Smith]

I wish all that was high percentage stuff, how cool would THAT be!? Getting your opponent to raise his elbow high enough to fit your foot through is the tough part. It can happen and has happened, Horwich pulled it off in Mma but once ur opponent is hip to it the odds of him raising his elbow that high goes way down. If someone can show me a legit set up please show me ASAP, this all looks awesome. I can get the stock aka sanitarium every once and a while but that's pretty much in the same league as the rubix cube

I always wondered how you viewed the Puppet Master. Looks like if there's a legit set up you'd be open to it.

[Eric Schuettenberg]

Ok I'll give a real quick abriged version as I've told the story in length detail before a few times.

1)I just need to say this the "Wolverine" and his family are super nice people.
2)Any system that overlooks or bypasses legit solid submission attemps for less effcient and more complex sets of techniques is seriously flawed.
3)If you post technique videos, you better be able to pull that information off on live resistant human beings, and it must work on skilled people.
4)When he came and rolled with me and my students he got smashed by everyone, even my white belts. His RG didn't exist beyond mission control, even when guys were allowing him to start there.
5)He had claimed some rank before coming there, and then told me to my face he had no offical rank.

nuff said

[gene k]

I'm always looking for the puppet master when I roll, mostly because it's fun. I like the transition from the back because it's easier to hook the arm with your foot. One modification I've made is I always grab my own foot so they can't unhook their arm. It feels like a very strong position when it's locked in.

[Brent Smith]

Ok I'll give a real quick abriged version as I've told the story in length detail before a few times.

1)I just need to say this the "Wolverine" and his family are super nice people.
2)Any system that overlooks or bypasses legit solid submission attemps for less effcient and more complex sets of techniques is seriously flawed.
3)If you post technique videos, you better be able to pull that information off on live resistant human beings, and it must work on skilled people.
4)When he came and rolled with me and my students he got smashed by everyone, even my white belts. His RG didn't exist beyond mission control, even when guys were allowing him to start there.
5)He had claimed some rank before coming there, and then told me to my face he had no offical rank.

Just out of curiosity, when you bail on the triangle for the omaplata, do you consider that bailing on a solid submission for a lesser finishing rated submission? Or wasnt transitioning from the back mount to the truck considered moving to a lesser position?

[Chris Herzog]

I said:
"2)Any system that overlooks or bypasses legit solid submission attempts for less efficient and more complex sets of techniques is seriously flawed."

I didn't say transitioning from submission to submission, or from a dominate positions to a dead zone.

Bypassing a triangle (high % tested technique) in the first stage of his transition to a far more complex, less secure transition requiring a large degree of movement, that could create opportunities for his opponent is far less efficient. Like I said before I gave him ample opportunity to make it work on me and prove me wrong, and that didn't happen, it didn't even happen on my whites/blues.

[Brent Smith]

I said:
"2)Any system that overlooks or bypasses legit solid submission attempts for less efficient and more complex sets of techniques is seriously flawed."

I didn't say transitioning from submission to submission, or from a dominate positions to a dead zone.

Bypassing a triangle (high % tested technique) in the first stage of his transition to a far more complex, less secure transition requiring a large degree of movement, that could create opportunities for his opponent is far less efficient. Like I said before I gave him ample opportunity to make it work on me and prove me wrong, and that didn't happen, it didn't even happen on my whites/blues.

I gotcha. More so just making conversation. I know what you mean

[Isaac Atley]

wow puppet master brings back memories. i havnt even thought about it in 3 ish years. i remember when coach zog first said it didnt work, i was gutted, its just such a cool looking move. but i agree with eddie. its sooo crazy getting the foot under there that its not really worth it.