rubber guard in a gi?

[mountveggie]

My personal experience is:
- Breaking the opponent down is a lot tougher (cuz of the handles the gi provides)
- The zombie is harder (again, cuz of the handles)

BUT.... once you've got that hand to the mat, everything else automatically becomes a lot tighter. For one, it's harder for your opponent to simply power out (i.e. both upwards and backwards) of the rubber guard - they're more likely to get stuck halfway. Also, all the more complex positions (i.e. muddy waters, dead orchard) are so, so much tighter and a lot more difficult for opponents to squirm out of.

[KrisGallagher]

I've only tried a few things from RG in the gi,but gogo clinch is absolutely brutal with the gi. I managed to get the grips for a cross choke whilst I had the guy I was rolling with in the clinch and the tap was near instantaneous. I'm also a fan of perpendicular jiu claw with the gi,just so much control

[Arman Fathi]

You're more than welcome to disagree, I believe I said this was from my perspective.

The way I see it, you take a judo player and a wrestler, put a gi on the wrestler, and he's still has all his grips, plus a few new ones he doesn't know. What he doesn't know may indeed hurt him, but what he does know hasn't been taken away. Take the gi off the judo player, and unless he's trained no gi judo (which I think all judoka should do) he's lost all his grips.

I think the same thing applies on the ground, though perhaps less dynamically. Again, you're free to disagree. I agree wholeheartedly that 10P translates directly to MMA far better than gi, I agree that 10P is the go-to system for nogi grappling.

Cheers. From my perspective, I would debate that if you took two people who have never trained a day of martial arts in their lives, but equal in athleticism, age, intellect, etc., and you train one exclusively in the gi for a couple years then train the other exclusively no-gi for a couple years, then the gi guy would hold his own for the most part in no-gi (and he'd start to figure things out pretty quickly) while the no-gi guy would be thrown off by a lot of the sleeve/lapel game, and he'd have a hard time finding an answer for them. This would obviously differ from the judo/wrestler debate, in which I would totally agree with you that the wrestler probably has the upper hand. So I feel like if your focus is to be a high-level submission grappling artist, you have to train gi to reach your potential and as Marcelo says, "To have the finest technique." If your intention is to train MMA, then you could definitely do without the gi.

One thing I like about 10th planet is that they know what they're all about. It's Jiu Jitsu for MMA. In my opinion, there's no better ground fighting school to train at if MMA is your intention. But to fairly and duly call yourself a Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu black belt, you'd have to train gi. One could argue though that this is just semantics. Again, it's all about perspective and your intentions. As much as I pray to stay healthy and continue to work toward a black belt at my school, I won't feel complete as a ground fighter until i've poured the same amount of time into the 10th planet system. To be an all-around black belt, it requires training everything. So much shit, so little time...right?

I'll add one note here to be fair though...just because a guy is a Brazilian Jiu Jitsu black belt don't mean he can't get knock the F**K out by one punch. So there's that

[eoin ahern]

i was trying the 100% in the gi the other night. couldnt get it at all. i think rubber guard would prob be easier but iam not sure.

[Andrew Sarasin]

I'll be tring it out most likely feb 15th at grappling industry Didnt have the oppertunity really last comp.

[brianspinaltap]

It's always been done in a Gi - Eddie wears half a Gi all the time!

[rdouglas]

I started nogi and then started gi and i felt like there wasn't as big as a difference as some people say. now im only a white belt with a mouth and the school i train gi in is a pretty new school so this prolly has alot to do with it, but i felt pretty good after my first night, and even better ever since. I did get collar choked once but it made me pretty aware after that and it hasn't happened since. I do think training in the gi is good so you have an understanding of the disadvantages of wearing the gi because in a street fight you may have to deal with having those disadvantages, but theres also situations where you cannot rely on using your gi as a weapon and for that reason i believe the nogi fundamentals are better habits and thats what i would put my reps in. I always try to be conscience of when im grabbing the gi or when i think im open to strikes and things like that. it's all jiu jitsu tho, if you do both, you're gonna have fun with both of them, but also if you care about self defense you need to understand both anyway.

[Aiseop]

It's all jiu-jitsu. With variances in body builds, experience, partners, sweat - what jiu-jitsu teaches you is to think on the spot in a grappling match. Hell, I'd be willing to bet that most of us would easily use head hair as a handle if we were ever attacked and needed to defend ourselves. It's all jiu-jitsu/grappling, and we all have different games. being open and flexible is the key to it all, imo. peace.

[Jay Chow]

Cheers. From my perspective, I would debate that if you took two people who have never trained a day of martial arts in their lives, but equal in athleticism, age, intellect, etc., and you train one exclusively in the gi for a couple years then train the other exclusively no-gi for a couple years, then the gi guy would hold his own for the most part in no-gi (and he'd start to figure things out pretty quickly) while the no-gi guy would be thrown off by a lot of the sleeve/lapel game, and he'd have a hard time finding an answer for them.

It took me a few weeks to get used to the gi but I've been training in it a LOT, and every single technique I do nogi translates, except the more scramble based escapes due to the added friction. I'm learning new grips, but they're very easy to assimilate as the principles are very similar, if not exactly the same as when I was doing nogi. At first it was kinda boring because I was terrible at the grips, but now I have a basic understanding of the grips and positions, I'm loving the intricacies and chokes, and I learn something new every time I train.

In response to the OP, I've found that basic Rubber Guard works very well in the Gi, especially to set up things like the Omoplata and Carni. Lockdown half-guard is also great with the extra friction, especially when you can use the belt and grab the pants to help with the sweeps.

[Andrew Sarasin]

Great way to put it! I started JJ for self defense and just because its hard as hell haha. Why do JJ when u can learn JJ for MMA, that was my reasons for studing 10p JJ at the beggining, then grew from there especially since eddie seemed to be a bit bullied by the BJJ comunity for his stance of no gi JJ for mma and ect.

I started nogi and then started gi and i felt like there wasn't as big as a difference as some people say. now im only a white belt with a mouth and the school i train gi in is a pretty new school so this prolly has alot to do with it, but i felt pretty good after my first night, and even better ever since. I did get collar choked once but it made me pretty aware after that and it hasn't happened since. I do think training in the gi is good so you have an understanding of the disadvantages of wearing the gi because in a street fight you may have to deal with having those disadvantages, but theres also situations where you cannot rely on using your gi as a weapon and for that reason i believe the nogi fundamentals are better habits and thats what i would put my reps in. I always try to be conscience of when im grabbing the gi or when i think im open to strikes and things like that. it's all jiu jitsu tho, if you do both, you're gonna have fun with both of them, but also if you care about self defense you need to understand both anyway.