i have been drilling the JAPANESE NECKTIE ................

[Jared Gammel]

The Plan B seems like a nice option for people that really drive their overhooks through when they get them.. Especially if you can get wrist control with the same arm that they are overhooking. I'm sure that's one of the most obvious defenses since it's where their base is weakest; however, it seems like they have to respect it at least..

[Jarrad Mckay]

Japanese neck tie sucks for me coz my tournys don't allow neck cranks

[Clinton lawrence]

Japanese neck tie sucks for me coz my tournys don't allow neck cranks

or leg locks either fml

[robert gero]

the necktie is not a neck crank if done right...it starts out feeling like one kinda lick the peruivian .......the only way they get out of it is to defended like it a darce and go t othier back...reverse arm triangle as someone said that sound like i need to rep that....

[Jon Watkins]

That's what I mean. I can't just decide "OK, I'm gonna work on [insert half guard technique of choice here] tonight. I start on my back, go to half guard, and IMMEDIATELY have to start defending the Necktie. If you even start to whip you better damn well hide your head super-STAT 'cause the vice is coming (the upside is that by hiding my head deeper and hooking the waist better I'm getting to Middle School a lot more). That's not a bad thing, it just means I can no longer pick and choose what I want to rep from half guard. I HAVE to defend the Japanese Necktie first and foremost or it's done. Big picture -- still not a bad thing, but a little annoying when I have specific things I want to accomplish in an evening of rolling.

I never whip up. It's just one move that can open up alot of counters unless you're really good at it. The Middle School is a great option. Also, if you can manage to never get flattened out in the first place, that's great too. Plus there's several traditional half guard options out there that offer easy transitions to deep half or the dogfight or butterfly sweep,etc. When the guys on my level at my school whip up, they've already made their first mistake by giving me space to look for an opening on the way back down.

The whip up has it's benefits too in that it forces some fast action, but the risks outweigh the benefits IMHO. And it's not that I'm all about constantly playing it safe or anything either. It's just that there are superior options at your disposal again IMHO.

[Jon Watkins]

the necktie is not a neck crank if done right...it starts out feeling like one kinda lick the peruivian .......the only way they get out of it is to defended like it a darce and go t othier back...reverse arm triangle as someone said that sound like i need to rep that....

You should man. That choke is a game changer once you've put it in your arsenal.

[Ashley Kennedy-Foster]

Since that seminar that Necktie has really impacted my half guard game in a negative way (I'm being somewhat sarcastic here). Not because I'm hitting it, but because everyone else and their dog is going for it so anytime I try to work my half guard game I spend half the time defending the damn necktie. I can't rep shit without having to fend off the Japanese Necktie first. Eddie's calling the Necktie a game-changer and it most certainly seems to be!

This. When I hit the whip up, i have to book it to whatever sweep i'm going for - because guaranteed my partner is already trying to dive over into it.

[AJ Camacho]

I think that's why the mechanic sweep is so crucial. Everybody goes for the darce when I get my double under hooks and I've been killing their grips and sweeping them before they can event set in their grip. Actually last night I hit a mechanic sweep right into a Peruvian Necktie of my own.

[Jared Gammel]

I think that's why the mechanic sweep is so crucial. Everybody goes for the darce when I get my double under hooks and I've been killing their grips and sweeping them before they can event set in their grip. Actually last night I hit a mechanic sweep right into a Peruvian Necktie of my own.

This is what I was trying to describe with my modified Plan B ramble, just didn't know the name for it.

[Mike Nall]

Japanese neck tie sucks for me coz my tournys don't allow neck cranks

The refs are either dumb or need better training. It's not a neck crank. It's a head-and-arm choke, and it will put you to sleep. It just happens to tweak the neck more than other head-and-arm chokes like the Darce/Brabo, Anaconda, arm triangle, Peruvian, etc.