Ryan Hall, Heel Hooks, TUF 22

[Liquidrob]

https://youtu.be/lzmRMq4OrxM

Rumina Sato highlights

Shooto was such a quality org, I remember when I lived in the Bay Area back in the day, we would have to go to Japan town to rent VHS tapes of Shooto events

Sukari was a monster also

[Mike Nall]

https://youtu.be/g7sg-OhHLqM

This thread made me look up old highlights, still the GOAR armbar

I had an old N64 Japanese pro wrestling game called Virtual Pro 2. They had a NHB mode (no holds barred for anyone that isn't familiar with what MMA was called back in the day) and you could choose Sakuraba, Sato, Ken Shamrock, etc. You could shoot doubles and mount people, take the back, go for subs or strikes. it was great.

I remember they actually had that flying armbar motion captured in the game. And I saw it backwards. That was one of my favorite moves in the game and then I saw Sato do it in real life on a highlight and made the connection.

Dorky story. here it is in a later game with the same engine. Notice the jump and the tap is the exact sam

[Liquidrob]

Lol Mike, I had the same game! Loved it, had to buy the converter for the N64 to play it if I remember correctly

I would make myself a character, the Sato armbar was always my finisher

They had the Rickson armbar vs Takada also, played the crap out of that game

[Mike Nall]

Lol Mike, I had the same game! Loved it, had to buy the converter for the N64 to play it if I remember correctly

I would make myself a character, the Sato armbar was always my finisher

They had the Rickson armbar vs Takada also, played the crap out of that game

That's awesome! Just watched the Rickson/Takada fight. I never realized that was the mounted armbar they used for the game. That's really cool.

Didn't they have Sakuraba's kimura against Renzo where he spun around and dropped down onto it? Or am I just imagining that?

[Liquidrob]

I don't think they had the Saku kimura, but I could be wrong

I remember you could be Bas and Mark Kerr also, what a great game for that time

[Mike Nall]

I don't think they had the Saku kimura, but I could be wrong

I remember you could be Bas and Mark Kerr also, what a great game for that time

Damn. Man I swear it was in Wrestlemania 2000 or No Mercy then. I'll find a way to look on youtube or somewhere. I remember it was on one of those 2 because I got those before I had ever seen the Saku/Renzo fight and I remember a CAW finisher that involved a kimura with the arm in the air and spinning around in a circle and I thought it looked goofy and stupid. I never knew it was from a real fight. Damn you got me wanting to play these games again but I don't have a way to.

Great game for sure. I definitely had that big ass plastic thing that you had to stick the game onto to make it play. All the languages were in Japanese too but you could change the language manually for every entry, and there was this huge text doc on what everyone's name was in English. That shit took forever!

[Liquidrob]

You might be right, I kind of remember the Kimura while they were on the ground now

I liked it because you could do create a player and have 2 finishers, my guy always had the T-Bone suplex like Jun Akiyama and the Sato flying armbar

The WCW game was also really good

[Mike Nall]

You might be right, I kind of remember the Kimura while they were on the ground now

I liked it because you could do create a player and have 2 finishers, my guy always had the T-Bone suplex like Jun Akiyama and the Sato flying armbar

The WCW game was also really good

I like how this thread has just turned into us bullshitting for the past couple pages.

[Nathan Wallner]

I'm really confused by this post. Can you explain more?

I'm sorry you're confused.. Jiu jitsu has been established as an essential art to master for fighting for a while but only recently are average civilian, non martial artists, non fighters, recognizing the benefits of training under a specific martial arts style like jiu jitsu. Nogi is being dominated all over the country by 10th Planet and we're at the front of this evolution. Not only are we at the front but we're driving the progress and spreading our style like wildfire around the country and the world.
The heel hook itself is still "frowned upon" in some jiu jitsu circles, which is hilarious. Seeing it on a very popular show is great for jiujitsu, great for nogi, and heel hooks are great for us because we are crushing the leg game as a system, united. Ryan Hall is helping us, and helping jiu jitsu.
Hopefully that cleared things up a little bit.

[Mike Nall]

I'm sorry you're confused.. Jiu jitsu has been established as an essential art to master for fighting for a while but only recently are average civilian, non martial artists, non fighters, recognizing the benefits of training under a specific martial arts style like jiu jitsu. Nogi is being dominated all over the country by 10th Planet and we're at the front of this evolution. Not only are we at the front but we're driving the progress and spreading our style like wildfire around the country and the world.
The heel hook itself is still "frowned upon" in some jiu jitsu circles, which is hilarious. Seeing it on a very popular show is great for jiujitsu, great for nogi, and heel hooks are great for us because we are crushing the leg game as a system, united. Ryan Hall is helping us, and helping jiu jitsu.
Hopefully that cleared things up a little bit.

It does help clear things up a bit. I guess I was confused at the notion that Ryan Hall is doing well with heel hooks because he is "in the right place at the right time", which I thought suggested that if it were another few years down the road that he wouldn't have as much success. I wasn't confused about the 10th Planet part, which I agree with.

My point is that Ryan Hall has done more heel hooks than most people that are obsessed with heel hooks. There's not ever going to be a time when most people are training them as much as he has already done. I just get a little annoyed when people try to write of the success of really hard working and skilled fighters as it being a product of their environment.

I mean to some degree I do understand what you're saying. I don't think the heel hook is as frowned upon is most circles as it's thought to be. I think among gyms that have a focus on competing and turning out good grapplers that it's very important. I think hobbyists still make up the majority of people doing jiu-jitsu and it's always going to be a fringe move among people with full time jobs that don't focus on no-gi. So I do agree with that.

Hall is definitely helping. I've trained with him a lot and he's a good guy. He's working hard and training on another level to be great at MMA and I totally agree that he;s doing a lot to represent jiu-jitsu right now with the platform he's been given.