Heel Hookery

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Originally Posted by bobby rivers

When you start to look at an entry into a dominant leg position as a guard pass, all opposing arguments sound naive and ignorant.

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Amen.

People fear change. The rubber guard got this heat and so did the Berimbolo. The k nay difference now, it that heel hooks have been around much longer, so these guys sound more like quacks than before.

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Originally Posted by Arman Fathi

Heel hooks don't hurt people. Douchebags hurt people.

Competitive considerations not-withstanding.

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correction:

Heel hooks don't hurt people, people that don't take the time to invest into understanding heel hooks, hurt themselves.

You know, I don't even see the comparison to berimbolo for real. It's a transition.

I now look at entries into ashi, double outside ashi, the wedge, etc as guard passes, like I mentioned above. I see the transitions within the control comparable to maintaining side or transitioning to mount or back, which are like the honey hole or leg knot. You can chase a heel just like you can chase a neck or an arm. You can switch a heel hook to a kneebar and back, just like a kimura can lead to an armbar, triangle, or omo.

You can beat their guard without passing it. If you don't want that option, then I don't understand your motives to begin with. Oh wells.

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Originally Posted by bobby rivers

You know, I don't even see the comparison to berimbolo for real. It's a transition.

I now look at entries into ashi, double outside ashi, the wedge, etc as guard passes, like I mentioned above. I see the transitions within the control comparable to maintaining side or transitioning to mount or back, which are like the honey hole or leg knot. You can chase a heel just like you can chase a neck or an arm. You can switch a heel hook to a kneebar and back, just like a kimura can lead to an armbar, triangle, or omo.

You can beat their guard without passing it. If you don't want that option, then I don't understand your motives to begin with. Oh wells.

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Exactly! When someone makes comments likes Jake it makes it crystal clear that they don't understand the intricacies of the leg lock positioning and the submissions themselves, there is an entire system that is DEEP! Its just not one position or one submission.

"Because I like walking."

Well I also like wiping my ass and breathing, but I still practice kimuras, armbars, and chokes. No sense..

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Originally Posted by bobby rivers

When you start to look at an entry into a dominant leg position as a guard pass, all opposing arguments sound naive and ignorant.

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A lot of the old guard gi-centric IBJJF guys will never understand. But, this (^) is the key to helping everyone else understand.


I've effectively already passed your guard if I'm in 4-11, SOA, DOA, the Knot, 50/100, Reilly's positions 1-3, or etc.

(I'm accepting of course that there is a spectrum of dominance among those enumerated leg positions as well as significant overlap in terms of nomenclature).

Never understood why jiu Jitsu players bitch about heel hooks being too dangerous. Sambo practitioners been doing heel hooks for 90 years now and we never hear them complain about any injuries. Like any other submission out there, as long as you train it the right way and understand it, you and your training partners should be fine.

I'm afraid the heel hook is going to ruin No GI grappling. The move is almost to dominant. I don't want to see the same move every match. Hope I'm wrong.

Ruin? What if someone heelhooks Kron? or if someone hooked Marcelo in his prime?

Like Sean said and Chris has known. The revolution is eminent. The legs are the largest limbs on the body. Its crazy rules and preferences that has taken grappling this long to see it. Effectiveness and truth will never ruin anything.

But yes, people will adapt. Its what we do.

I watched Dean Lister tap Marcelo almost at will at a seminar here in Cali years ago... All foot locks.

Obviously they weren't rolling hard but Marcelo never got Dean.