Hindulotine Instructional Video is up

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Originally Posted by Ben Eddy

I'm just showing a single move

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Uh huh...

I have been playing with this since I saw it in MTS for the first time. It's really impressive control position and you proved to everyone that the guillotine is mad legit. In this occasion I hate my short limbs since it's almost impossible for me to get that reverse cable grip. Sometime I can get S-grip on and finish with it but i'm definetely waiting for new inventions on how to submit from hindu control :) thank you for the video and your innovativity!

Thanks for the video. I've been playing with this for about a month now and was able to hit it twice while rolling last week.

This is sick, time to start hitting the reps in practice, can't wait to post a comp finish with this

I did some drilling and got some live reps with it last night. I actually have better flexibility to get hindu control on my weak side, but then again, I'm one of those weirdos that plays rubber guard back and forth on both side. I don't feel it putting any torque on my knee at all the though. It feels more like tightness in my hip on the side that I struggle with.

During live rolls, I am able to get to hindu control pretty easily, but I struggle to get a good grip together to finish the choke. I can barely get my fingertips together when the guy is resisting. I think I just need to work on sitting up higher so I can get my arms deeper?

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Originally Posted by Pat Campagnola

I did some drilling and got some live reps with it last night. I actually have better flexibility to get hindu control on my weak side, but then again, I'm one of those weirdos that plays rubber guard back and forth on both side. I don't feel it putting any torque on my knee at all the though. It feels more like tightness in my hip on the side that I struggle with.

During live rolls, I am able to get to hindu control pretty easily, but I struggle to get a good grip together to finish the choke. I can barely get my fingertips together when the guy is resisting. I think I just need to work on sitting up higher so I can get my arms deeper?

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I just like to chill out in hindu control. When the opponent doesn't feel like they're being attacked, they will start to test your posture control. When they do, their neck is wide open. But that being said, if they are resisting, that means a bunch of other attacks are open. Dead orchard their arm, kick around and triangle, 100% to stocks or regular guillotine etc. In order to resist the choke, they have to bring their elbows in.

Starting to get to it relatively easy in live rolls. Loving it

'Jail bar' I totally feel it.

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Originally Posted by bobby rivers

'Jail bar' I totally feel it.

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Jail bar?

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Originally Posted by Ben Eddy

Good question. So don't think of your hindu control hand as your choking hand, think of it as a jail bar you are placing on the side of his neck. You are using this arm to control and lock him in place. It's stopping him from being able to pass, pull out or posture. So keep it straight up and down like a jail bar right across his neck. Your free hand is the one that will come in and turn it into a choke. Just reach your free hand in and grab your hindu hand and then raise both elbows as high as you can. The most powerful grip is reverse gable, palm to palm, but realistically you can grab however much of your hand as you can and then just raise. I've even grabbed his blocking hand before and finished with it. When you raise both of your elbows, the choke happens pretty quick so you have a good amount of room for a loose grip. If he is defending the grip well though, that means his elbow is in and you can go to the triangle.

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This breakdown Brent. I'm using the principle in other posish as well.

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Originally Posted by bobby rivers

This breakdown Brent. I'm using the principle in other posish as well.

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Ahhhh I missed that post originally. That just gave me an "aha" moment!

I've decided this choke will be the reason I take home gold in my next comp. The other competitors might as well just not show to be honest..... :rolleyes: Haha, beautiful technique, man!

Thanks ben and geo
much respect and props

Still trying hard to get that Hindulotine but still not quite getting it. Nailing that triangle at a high percentage. One of the ones I got last night I left the Hindu arm in there with the triangle so it ended up like a gag reflex triangle.

Also did you hear Jeff Glover is playing with that Hindulotine now?

Brilliant! So gonna try it out at the gym tonight. :D

At the risk of sounding like a glutton.... any more Hindu/Gun Control videos out there? I'm itching for more of this awesomeness.

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Originally Posted by Brent Smith

Still trying hard to get that Hindulotine but still not quite getting it. Nailing that triangle at a high percentage. One of the ones I got last night I left the Hindu arm in there with the triangle so it ended up like a gag reflex triangle.

Also did you hear Jeff Glover is playing with that Hindulotine now?

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What exactly is the problem with the choke? Are they just keeping their chin down and defending it well or are you not able to find it even when they posture? Its a palm to palm grip. I've even finished it with just a few fingers holding on. The key is raising your elbows as high as you can once you have a grip. You have to get a real feel for the choke though. I mainly hit the triangle at first too.

Yea, if you leave the arm in while you dead orchard the arm it becomes a choke before you even use the arm bar.

Hadn't heard, was that on the podcast?

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Originally Posted by mountveggie

Brilliant! So gonna try it out at the gym tonight. :D

At the risk of sounding like a glutton.... any more Hindu/Gun Control videos out there? I'm itching for more of this awesomeness.

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Are you following me on instagram? #jesushadamoustache - I upload 15 sec clips of various RG moves on there from time to time.

I was putting together a video with a bunch of new moves but then I broke my arm before I finished it so that will have to wait.

Back and forth between Hindu control and Gunshow control is a full game and I want to show a lot more details to it. They really compliment each other well as if one isn't there, the other one is. That and rubber guard entries as the whole game now is just getting into full guard.

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Originally Posted by Ben Eddy

What exactly is the problem with the choke? Are they just keeping their chin down and defending it well or are you not able to find it even when they posture? Its a palm to palm grip. I've even finished it with just a few fingers holding on. The key is raising your elbows as high as you can once you have a grip. You have to get a real feel for the choke though. I mainly hit the triangle at first too.

Yea, if you leave the arm in while you dead orchard the arm it becomes a choke before you even use the arm bar.

Hadn't heard, was that on the podcast?



Are you following me on instagram? #jesushadamoustache - I upload 15 sec clips of various RG moves on there from time to time.

I was putting together a video with a bunch of new moves but then I broke my arm before I finished it so that will have to wait.

Back and forth between Hindu control and Gunshow control is a full game and I want to show a lot more details to it. They really compliment each other well as if one isn't there, the other one is. That and rubber guard entries as the whole game now is just getting into full guard.

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I think what my issue is they bury their head in my chest so I cant dig my hand in enough to get them clasped together. I really appreciate you taking the time to trouble shoot my issues. And yes that was on EBR where Jeff was on it. He said he was hitting it now because it was so awesome and innovative

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Originally Posted by Brent Smith

I think what my issue is they bury their head in my chest so I cant dig my hand in enough to get them clasped together. I really appreciate you taking the time to trouble shoot my issues. And yes that was on EBR where Jeff was on it. He said he was hitting it now because it was so awesome and innovative

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Haha, that's awesome. I haven't listened to it yet.

Are you digging in with your free hand? Yea if he is really hiding his head and neck well then you have to just threaten dead orchard, triangle, stocks, 100%. The nice thing about those threats is that the defense to practically all of them is to posture and when they do you go back to the choke. If you just can't find anything then I usually switch to gunshow while I have hindu in (I release the hindu control when I get the Gunshow hand in).

Also if you have the flexibility, you can go crackhead in hindu control and that really adds a lot of pressure for the attacks.

No problem, I'm sure others are finding the same issues.

I like this, but would it be fair to say that it is a game more applicable to those with long limbs? I know the Dead Orchard Game is much easier if you have long legs (thighs) and Eddie has said he struggles to lock Triangles. I guess the longer your limbs the less pressure you are going to be putting on your own ankle and father you can sit back? (should say I haven't tried out the position, just going by the video and basing my assessment on having seen people try playing Dead Orchard).

I'm having problems finishing the Hindulotine - mainly because I don't understand the mechanics of the finish
(I tried lifting my elbows up as high as possible, but am not getting anything).

Is it supposed to end up as a gag reflect choke, or a blood choke (i.e. squeezing the sides of the neck)?

Super quick choke

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Originally Posted by Apperz

I like this, but would it be fair to say that it is a game more applicable to those with long limbs? I know the Dead Orchard Game is much easier if you have long legs (thighs) and Eddie has said he struggles to lock Triangles. I guess the longer your limbs the less pressure you are going to be putting on your own ankle and father you can sit back? (should say I haven't tried out the position, just going by the video and basing my assessment on having seen people try playing Dead Orchard).

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Yep, longer limbs definitely help with this move.

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Originally Posted by mountveggie

I'm having problems finishing the Hindulotine - mainly because I don't understand the mechanics of the finish
(I tried lifting my elbows up as high as possible, but am not getting anything).

Is it supposed to end up as a gag reflect choke, or a blood choke (i.e. squeezing the sides of the neck)?

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Imagine there is a metal bar on the back of your neck holding your head down. Now a rope is thrown around your neck and pulled up. That's basically the mechanics of the choke. It should be a tight blood choke and a gag reflex because your arms should cover everything except the back of the neck where your leg is holding him down.

Awesome description, thanks for the reply Ben! Just one more quick question - is it a must to use a palm-to-palm grip? Or will a regular macelotine grip work? (I'm finding palm-to-palm a little awkward, could be that I just haven't gotten the mechanics down yet).

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Originally Posted by mountveggie

Awesome description, thanks for the reply Ben! Just one more quick question - is it a must to use a palm-to-palm grip? Or will a regular macelotine grip work? (I'm finding palm-to-palm a little awkward, could be that I just haven't gotten the mechanics down yet).

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The fat of the hand marcelotine grip would finish fine, the problem is it's very hard to find room above your hand compared to below it.

For those that don't have an instagram, you can see the tech vids I've shared here - http://instagram.com/jesushadamoustache.

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Originally Posted by Ben Eddy

For those that don't have an instagram, you can see the tech vids I've shared here - http://instagram.com/jesushadamoustache.

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Very cool, Ben. Is Gunshow a technique you came up with?

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Originally Posted by Apperz

Very cool, Ben. Is Gunshow a technique you came up with?

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First place I saw it was that rexangle. Not saying Ben didn't come up with it on his own though.

Do you play with that Killa B control at all Ben?

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Originally Posted by Apperz

Very cool, Ben. Is Gunshow a technique you came up with?

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Originally Posted by Apperz

Very cool, Ben. Is Gunshow a technique you came up with?

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Yea, as Brent said, I thought it was, but I've recently found ralf's germanator, rex angle etc. So I think it's been around for a bit.

I like to use it a bit differently though, I'm not looking for a choke with it like the rex angle and unlike the germanator I like to use it without the arm being zombie'd. I generally look to work with moves that don't require a zombie'd arm. It's a lot of work to get an arm zombie'd to the mat. I think of the position as a good control position. Just like hindu control it has advantages over meathook and mission control. Compared to mission control you have a free arm to attack with and compared to meathook his head is locked in place.

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Originally Posted by Brent Smith

First place I saw it was that rexangle. Not saying Ben didn't come up with it on his own though.

Do you play with that Killa B control at all Ben?

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Just to answer the question for people here too, hadn't heard of the name, until we talked on FB, but yes I do.

This vid shows how I like to use it to transition to invisible collar. http://instagram.com/p/pNSIbUQFP7/

It makes it so he can't beat the angle on you with his head when trying to get your right arm in for invisible collar. It also makes it so you never lose any control as you transition.

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Originally Posted by Ben Eddy

The fat of the hand marcelotine grip would finish fine, the problem is it's very hard to find room above your hand compared to below it.

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So true! Tried this yesterday with the marcelotine grip and couldn't even get my fingers together. Will keep practicing with palm-to-palm as recommended.

Thanks again for replying to all these questions, looking forward to more of your vids! ;)

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Originally Posted by Ben Eddy

Yea, as Brent said, I thought it was, but I've recently found ralf's germanator, rex angle etc. So I think it's been around for a bit.

I like to use it a bit differently though, I'm not looking for a choke with it like the rex angle and unlike the germanator I like to use it without the arm being zombie'd. I generally look to work with moves that don't require a zombie'd arm. It's a lot of work to get an arm zombie'd to the mat. I think of the position as a good control position. Just like hindu control it has advantages over meathook and mission control. Compared to mission control you have a free arm to attack with and compared to meathook his head is locked in place.



Just to answer the question for people here too, hadn't heard of the name, until we talked on FB, but yes I do.

This vid shows how I like to use it to transition to invisible collar. http://instagram.com/p/pNSIbUQFP7/

It makes it so he can't beat the angle on you with his head when trying to get your right arm in for invisible collar. It also makes it so you never lose any control as you transition.

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What did you call it until I said "Killa B"? I only called it that because that's the name I had heard. I have no idea if Saunders is still rocking it.

Managed to get Gunshow to Dead Orchard without any drilling against one of our better guys in the gym today. Thanks so much, Ben, for the instagram instructional - the transition from Rubber guard feels so natural and once it is locked in having that arm to play about with setting something up is amazing. Now to start drilling and getting it tighter.

Starting to really dig the transition to Hindu control from failed Mission Control (i.e. when guys stuff the other leg, then start passing Mission Control) - works like a charm in halting the pass. ;)

The one problem I'm facing there though, is that the Hindulotine seems pretty difficult to finish with a gi (at my gym, we train 2/3 gi, 1/3 nogi), mainly because of the lapels being in the way + extra "bulk" meaning less space to slot that left hand in.

Are there any other finishes/sweeps that can be done in that position?
The only finish I've found so far is the Stock (which is surprisingly easy to setup from a failed Hindulotine), but a sweep option would be an awesome addition.

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Originally Posted by Apperz

Managed to get Gunshow to Dead Orchard without any drilling against one of our better guys in the gym today. Thanks so much, Ben, for the instagram instructional - the transition from Rubber guard feels so natural and once it is locked in having that arm to play about with setting something up is amazing. Now to start drilling and getting it tighter.

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Awesome. I love gunshow, I typically use it more than hindu control.

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Originally Posted by mountveggie

Starting to really dig the transition to Hindu control from failed Mission Control (i.e. when guys stuff the other leg, then start passing Mission Control) - works like a charm in halting the pass. ;)

The one problem I'm facing there though, is that the Hindulotine seems pretty difficult to finish with a gi (at my gym, we train 2/3 gi, 1/3 nogi), mainly because of the lapels being in the way + extra "bulk" meaning less space to slot that left hand in.

Are there any other finishes/sweeps that can be done in that position?
The only finish I've found so far is the Stock (which is surprisingly easy to setup from a failed Hindulotine), but a sweep option would be an awesome addition.

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The stock, 100%, triangle, dead orchard and dead orchard leaving the arm in (becomes a choke).

I've never trained in the gi so I can't help you there. Just thinking about it though, try and choke with the lapel while in hindu, either hand. But you're on your own there.

With the Gi on from Gunshow control, a good choke to go to from there would be (assuming left leg is up), keep your left arm grip (the Gunshow) tight and then come underneath with your right arm to the opposite side of their neck and reach in deep thumb first and grab the Gi lapel and from there, finish it off as you would a lapel choke

Well just tried it there, hard to get the room to get the hand in, seems best just to grab the lapel normally as far up as possible and pull it across for the finish

Great Instructions Ben!!

Ben, if you are open to suggestions: I'd love to see a more detailed video on finishes from Gun Show. A break down of getting the Dead Orchard from Gun Show and so on would be amazing. Obviously, I realise your time is tight, I thought I'd take a chance and ask though. Thanks so much for what you've already put together.

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Originally Posted by Paul McKeown

With the Gi on from Gunshow control, a good choke to go to from there would be (assuming left leg is up), keep your left arm grip (the Gunshow) tight and then come underneath with your right arm to the opposite side of their neck and reach in deep thumb first and grab the Gi lapel and from there, finish it off as you would a lapel choke

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Originally Posted by Paul McKeown

Well just tried it there, hard to get the room to get the hand in, seems best just to grab the lapel normally as far up as possible and pull it across for the finish

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Good luck.

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Originally Posted by Dustin.Turbeville

Great Instructions Ben!!

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Thanks

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Originally Posted by Apperz

Ben, if you are open to suggestions: I'd love to see a more detailed video on finishes from Gun Show. A break down of getting the Dead Orchard from Gun Show and so on would be amazing. Obviously, I realise your time is tight, I thought I'd take a chance and ask though. Thanks so much for what you've already put together.

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I would be putting out more vids, I had some planned, but I broke my arm and am now recovering. I won't be able to make any vids for a bit.

Here is a thread on the gunshow though where I did do a short video giving some details.
http://www.10thplanetjj.com/threads/...ntrol-question

I showed a couple of guys at the gym this, and actually had some success with it, albeit on guys slightly smaller than me. Sorry if this has been asked in the thread, but do you typically keep the Hindu control series for guys your size or do you hit it on guys who have a size advantage over you as well? Also, that sucks about your arm, what happened?

Great job on the instructional by the way Ben