I'm a little confused. Atheism isn't a belief system. A baby is born, he comes out of the vagina staring at the ceiling.. BOOM, he's an atheist. He's a clean slate, no belief in a god, no concern. A non-belief is not a belief.
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I'd argue the point but we'd be getting into me going on the attack and I'm not going to do that here, it's not the point I want to make, it's not the right forum. I'll pass.
As soon as anybody asks you why you're an atheist, when you answer, that's a belief system. If you're angry about it, that's definitely a belief system.
You can act like atheism is the default if you want, but every ancient culture I'm aware of has a belief in the divine. Whether that's stupid or not is another subject: the universality of that fact is important. If every human being is born an atheist, how do you get there? I'm sure some people have a vague sociological explanation which cannot be tested, but I'm not a soft science fan.
Suffice it to say that there are an infinite number of things we don't believe in because we haven't conceived of them. And yet somehow most if not every ancient culture believed in the divine. I mean, if they all believed in aliens, then that would mean something to you. lol
Well, more than likely somebody taught it to you. Unless you invented it, that's how all religions spread. If there was something inherently within us that believed in God then how could you have so many differing religions and deities and belief systems? I'm sorry but that makes no sense.
If somebody asked me why I am an atheist I would simply reply that I have no reason to believe in a God. That in of itself is not a belief. You believe in God, I'm not even in the game. Atheism was a term created by theists just to round up and artificially formulate an opposition. Personally, I wouldn't even identify myself as an atheist, I am just a dude who calls out nonsense when I see it.
Am I on the 10th Planet forum? ;)
Im of trying looking into this solar flare business. A lot of Christians have a real problem with me. Im a Geologist and occasional Geochronologist!
My only issue with religion isn't the religion itself but a large majority of people that follow these religions. The fact that 99% of people haven't even read the whole bible but yet know without a shadow of a doubt that god is real. People don't realize that if they were born in the Middle East, most likely they wouldn't even be Christian or Catholic & they would believe without a shadow of a doubt that their muslum religion is 100% correct without a shadow of a doubt.
The scary thing is challenging your beliefs. My whole life, I was told that if I didn't accept god as my lord & savior, my life would eventually end & after my life is over, I would go to hell. So, you are scared to test your beliefs because if you decide that you don't believe in god or settle on the fact like Joe Rogan that you just flat out don't know if there is a god, then you go to hell which due to the bible or the people that aren't knowledgable of the bible that Exadurate what the bible says, that hell is a very bad place.
Honestly, if believing in god makes you a better person, do your thing. But before you start trying to tell other people about god, I truly believe that you should have atleast read the whole bible & truly researched your religion, by being critical of it & questioning it. Only after you've questioned your religion & done the research to find that answers to your questions can you truly believe in it. Until then, I think you should keep your mouth shut about god, you may do more harm then good when the person that you're talking to has questions & you can't site any references or even give real answers to any of the person's questions.
Don't believe in your religion just because your parents told you to, question it, test it & research it, if you come to a point that you no longer believe, then don't believe, if you feel that you do believe, then do. Do what you want like Joe said & do what makes you happy. Don't follow what everyone else tells you, build your own path & do whatever it is that makes you happy. Like Joe said.
Thanks for reading...
I am a very negative person, i always treated my body terribly and never tried to better it. Since March/April i have begun training 10th Planet JJ and have also started to eat well and train to get my body to become a well oiled machine as Joe put it, its hard man, its hard to let go of all the things that i had held onto for so long. I think everyone has their own way of getting to the good path and thats what makes this world so fucking interesting. I know personally i have a long long way to go, listening to Joe is always interesting, he has such a different view than mine.
This sounds like youtube.
Religion: "Do you believe in God?"
Me: "No."
Religion: "Then where did all of THIS come from? (pointing to Nature all around)"
Me: "Nature has always just existed."
Religion: "Nothing can just exist (typically said condescendingly). It has to come from somewhere. It was made by God."
Me: "Okay, then where did God come from"
Religion: "God has always just existed."
Okay, I know better than to "religion bash", but I've gotta' say: I don't know if its alright to believe some of the things that people do. Yes, I'll take no issue with you doing what you want to do so long as it doesn't impact me; but sometimes it does! If you believe in a Heaven and Hell, than you've got a built in judgment system in terms of your interactions with others.
Religion holds people back. Even if on the surface they're all "I don't know what God's will is for anyone,..." and try to totally be accepting of other people's faiths and beliefs; its still just an act. Underneath there are deep dark currents of judgment. Who's going to go against God's word? Would they let their daughter marry the son of an 'infidel'? How many families struggle right now with a sibling who's gay? It's like we're still living in the dark ages. And what does the lack of true love do to any relationship(s) like these down the line; or a thousand others?
The other thing I've noticed is a tendency (not just in this forum) to classify "Atheism" as a type of 'Belief'. I think it comes from a very strong and structured paradigm that people who are religious have. There seems to be a filtered lense through which they see the world. The same people will typically also talk about Eastern Philosophy as if it were a religion.
Amen, brother Rogan! We're all just people on the planet. Why ask why! Let's just roll!!!
Man, you've got to build a judgment system no matter what you believe!!! You can't blame that on religion... Your perception of right & wrong is just that, a perception.. Maybe we will find out what "wrong" really is when we die, maybe we wont... Either way I believe what I believe because I have made a self-conscience choice to put my faith where it lies & since then, I have lived a happier life than before I made that choice... This is what I perceive to be right and if others don't, that's cool too... I hope everyone finds at least one thing in their life to make it more peaceful and tranquil...
im going to pray to baby jesus to smite all of you with a arm triangle
Maybe peacefulness and tranquility are overrated. The way I see it, I had better get busy living, because I only have so much time. It's better to impact as many people as possible in a way I deem positive, by the views that I conceived. Here is where Joe and I differ; I agree that it would make me happier to do what I am drawn to, what I am truly interested in. However, I choose to do something that benefits people whom I have no connections with whatsoever. Honestly, the work is not very interesting or well paying, and I wouldn't like it or do it if not for the people whom I have the knowledge to help. Why does it have to be about me? What about the guy who is in severe physical agony? He needs peacefulness and tranquility more than I do, and dammit if I'm not going to work my ass off to provide that for him. The only moral that need (personally, the only moral that does) exist is empathy, and failure to empathize, by definition, is insane. Joe and I agree on this.
"Get busy livin', or get busy dyin'" -The Shawshank Redemption
lololol what a look joe has on his face....its like "hey where the hell is security"!!!!!!
Garbage bags sitting in the middle of an aisle as an old woman walks by and trips on a rug angrily cursing aloud various names while reaching for the Peanut butter jars.
Joshua is cookoo
Jesse is correct. Cookoo for CocoPuffs.
Man I got out of this thread just in time. Not looking back. Have fun slinging crap.
C'mon guys, we're all adults here and some of us even claim to be "open minded." Calling a guy cookoo for not sharing the same opinion is cheap. If you have an argument, then make it! Personally, I enjoy reading the strong and well-presented arguments on both sides. One thing I will say is that, I won't look to celebrities for my morality any more than I would look to the Dalai Lama, or mother Teresa, or Jesus, or Billy Graham, or Echart Tolle, or Ganesha, or Ra, or Jehovah, or Satan, or Zeus, etc, etc for my grappling advice.
You don't want to learn jujutsu from Gandhi?
Orlando has spelled the correct!!! ^
I suspect that Gandhi's rubber guard would have been legendary! ;)
Orlando is cookoo
LOL... that's besides the point! :)
You're the Bieber fan. Not me! :eek:
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I will remember to keep Joe Rogan in my prayers!!!!
Joe Rogan is a funny guy, and his a smart guy. But his only a man. Cristo is the son of God. Who you you gonna believe? You gonna believe God or you gonna believe the guy from "Fear Factor"? The thing I agree with Joe is the fruits and vegetables. You gotta have.
Sup Renato.
I think if Jesus starting putting some clips on youtube he'd have a better following here. As it is, all the eyewitness testimony of his life is a couple thousand years old. So these folks aint buying.
Second, I think even if he did put clips on youtube, a lot of folks here would say "How did he get to be God, I didn't vote for him." ;)
This was a very well done video. I have a lot of respect of Joe Rogan since I start watching his podcasts. I can't say that I agree with everything he says but he did challenge my beliefs & that pushed me to do my own research to form my own true opinion & not just the truth that's been passed onto me.
I balooned up to 398lbs & I started my diet almost 2 weeks ago & I'm down to 380 today. He talks about getting healthier & knowing what it feels like for your body to run like a well oiled machine. I still don't know what that feels like, my body is still adjusting & I'm a very paranoid person anyway so It's a struggle.
I also liked his points on living life. It's a great video & it also makes you think.[/QUOTE]
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I love what joe rogan has to say about life,religion,weed, and everything else he talks about because it all makes so much more sense than picking up a book reading it and going oh well all of this must have happend because the bible tells me so. But i don't care if people are religious our not, and i see what all the people who do belive in relgions mean and such but it just ain't for everyone i guess.
1st post idk if this was such a good subject to start off with though.
It increasingly annoys me that Christianity is so ingrained in society that we have to tiptoe round it like its more than just superstition.