de La Riva Guard for No-Gi

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Originally Posted by bobby rivers

You get it:)

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The wife still gives me that "WTF are you doing?" look, but she knows the deal after all these years

My daughter enjoys it though

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Originally Posted by Mike Nall

I don’t want to take away from this awesome thread, but I really don’t understand this. This is a false dichotomy. There are gi vs. no-gi debates, but they exist entirely on the internet. No one training hard in jiu-jitsu in 2013 is having these discussions. They’re archaic and largely brought up by white belts or newer grapplers, and you’ll see people that have trained longer re-enter the debates with the same arguments and positions.

The majority of the modern grappling world does both and they don't have the time nor energy to debate which is better. Even the competitive season is arranged for the first half of the year to be gi season, and the 2nd half of the year is no-gi season. All of the top level gyms train both. I can think of a very very small number of athletes that only participate in gi or no-gi at purple, brown, and black. I’m not saying it’s wrong to do one or the other. I’m saying that there aren’t these gi gyms out there that rally against no-gi. I can’t think of any major team that doesn’t embrace intense no-gi training (Alliance, Atos, Gracie Barra, Checkmat, Nova Uniao, the list is endless).

No-gi is a major part of modern grappling, and I promise you that everyone serious about jiu-jitsu knows this.

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Bro don't misunderstand: I have no issues with the Gi.
That being said, you CAN NOT deny that there are Gi players out there who look at NoGi as if it's the anti-christ.

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Originally Posted by Kurzy

Bro don't misunderstand: I have no issues with the Gi.
That being said, you CAN NOT deny that there are Gi players out there who look at NoGi as if it's the anti-christ.

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There really are.

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Originally Posted by Mike Nall

I don’t want to take away from this awesome thread, but I really don’t understand this. This is a false dichotomy. There are gi vs. no-gi debates, but they exist entirely on the internet. No one training hard in jiu-jitsu in 2013 is having these discussions. They’re archaic and largely brought up by white belts or newer grapplers, and you’ll see people that have trained longer re-enter the debates with the same arguments and positions.

The majority of the modern grappling world does both and they don't have the time nor energy to debate which is better. Even the competitive season is arranged for the first half of the year to be gi season, and the 2nd half of the year is no-gi season. All of the top level gyms train both. I can think of a very very small number of athletes that only participate in gi or no-gi at purple, brown, and black. I’m not saying it’s wrong to do one or the other. I’m saying that there aren’t these gi gyms out there that rally against no-gi. I can’t think of any major team that doesn’t embrace intense no-gi training (Alliance, Atos, Gracie Barra, Checkmat, Nova Uniao, the list is endless).

No-gi is a major part of modern grappling, and I promise you that everyone serious about jiu-jitsu knows this.

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I still have non competitive black belts telling me "you have to wear the gi to be good at no gi." Not as archaic as you would think. Otherwise all these gi school would have half and half. Not to deviate from the dlr discussion but I was also told "There's no point in having a no gi class. No gi guys can't afford Jiu Jitsu"

Bobby, when you say you're putting the boot on, is it your DLR hook or your free leg that's controlling that far leg. Sounds like there's some fine details I need to work on.

Its the outside leg. I don't have a free leg, because to me that means that it doesn't have a job. The inside leg is going to have to be just as active to get the boot. The entry where I initially snag the foot is crucial as well. I blast/flow into position before he can defend. Then as soon as I grab the heel, I through my hips up(they never come back down) to get the outside hook and immediatly crunch my core to grab upper body control of some kind, mostly the wrist. Its very hard for him to avoid because he has to bring his hands down to address your hooks. As soon as I can grab it I roll onto my outside ear and shoulder and either pull with my inside leg, or push up off his thigh and hip to get the boot. I switch the inside hook to the back of the knee, as I use the boot to pull me to his far ankle. The hand that was controlling the heel advances to it, once I get here its 96.75% done. Never stop climbing the rope or he's gone. As soon as you let go, or lose a grip, grab something else. Being able to move to the next grip by using your hips and hooks is the magic trick. If there is ever a point where one of your four employees doesnt have a job, that grizzly is gonna pin you down and rape you. This is the kind of urgency needed, to make it work nogi. Complacency only leads to failure or reset(same thing).

If he hides from the upper body grip completely, invert and look to push his armpit or ribs, via berimbolo.

Genius. I know only brown belt and above can make video but if you could get permission I think you could make a legit video breaking all this down. There's really none out there for no gi

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Originally Posted by bobby rivers

Guys dont take this post as a lecture, but as truth. Fact is that MOST, not ALL, of the guys who can crush you without breaking a sweat do both and do it well. Pressure, control, and passing will always work.

I have seen what they are talkin about tho. In smaller, slightly non-competitive gyms. They refuse to roll me nogi. They even show up to nogi open mat with their gi on. Now as Mike said it a nonissue for me. Eddie gave me my fundamentals and im good. I feel fortunate.

The gi to me was like goin to another county that speaks a foriegn language. You might as well learn what you can while you're there to make things easier. But when you leave, you never regret learning another language. It only enhances your ability to communicate.

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Thanks for the support. I agree with you it's a non issue almost everywhere. Outspoken personalities will always share their preferences.

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Originally Posted by Brent Smith

There really are.

I still have non competitive black belts telling me "you have to wear the gi to be good at no gi." Not as archaic as you would think. Otherwise all these gi school would have half and half. Not to deviate from the dlr discussion but I was also told "There's no point in having a no gi class. No gi guys can't afford Jiu Jitsu"

Bobby, when you say you're putting the boot on, is it your DLR hook or your free leg that's controlling that far leg. Sounds like there's some fine details I need to work on.

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Key phrase is non-competitive black belts. Again if you're talking any academy that's worth a shit is doing both. The small minority of non competitive guys telling you that aren't worth it, and they definitely represent the minority in 2013. It's like Liquidrob said most people are on both. Alliance is the most successful team in the world and they REQUIRE all of their affiliations to teach almost a 50/50 split. Atos is right on their heels, and all the Atos gyms do both.

I'll let it go. I didn't mean to deviate. I'll post a video for derailing you guys.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ttnuZjpbclg

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Originally Posted by Mike Nall

Thanks for the support. I agree with you it's a non issue almost everywhere. Outspoken personalities will always share their preferences.



Key phrase is non-competitive black belts. Again if you're talking any academy that's worth a shit is doing both. The small minority of non competitive guys telling you that aren't worth it, and they definitely represent the minority in 2013. It's like Liquidrob said most people are on both. Alliance is the most successful team in the world and they REQUIRE all of their affiliations to teach almost a 50/50 split. Atos is right on their heels, and all the Atos gyms do both.

I'll let it go. I didn't mean to deviate. I'll post a video for derailing you guys.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ttnuZjpbclg

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i love this vid, have not hit it live rolling but flows and drills it seems to be proper

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Originally Posted by WilliamGunter

i love this vid, have not hit it live rolling but flows and drills it seems to be proper

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Dude the shit is very hard to hit no-gi. Don't feel bad. You have nothing to really grab onto instead of the belt besides their hip. I said it earlier in the thread, the only 2 people I have ever seen do the actual berimbolo no-gi on any consistet level is Caio Terra and Rafa Mendes. Cobrinha has a variation that's close but exactly a berimbolo. It's hard as hell to do.

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Originally Posted by Mike Nall

Dude the shit is very hard to hit no-gi. Don't feel bad. You have nothing to really grab onto instead of the belt besides their hip. I said it earlier in the thread, the only 2 people I have ever seen do the actual berimbolo no-gi on any consistet level is Caio Terra and Rafa Mendes. Cobrinha has a variation that's close but exactly a berimbolo. It's hard as hell to do.

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Alas is that not why we are here?, to progress the tech and make the hard as hell our bread and butter! that notion is what the differance between the yea and naysayers!!!

Hear hear!