de La Riva Guard for No-Gi

[Chris Garry]

Getting angry about jiu jitsu is more for the gi I feel.

[Kurzy]

Getting angry about jiu jitsu is more for the gi I feel.

The Gi is like a cult in some cases.

I think this thread has turned into one of my favorite threads on the internet. I have no idea what DLR guard even looks like, but after reading all the intricacies in Bobbys posts (and the rest of the contributors) I will have to spend some time looking at some DLR-for-noobs videos when I have a chance.

[Chris Garry]

That can often be a bit of a sticking point when discussing these type of positions, a lot of it looks alike and certain phases of attack fit into both guard types. I think the way Eddie organises it all helps us immensely- there is clear paths and guides showing us the meathook belongs to both rubber guard and pyramid for instance.

Until this thread Tbh I had no idea all the stuff being done without wrist control was considered DLR.

[bobby rivers]

Getting angry about jiu jitsu is more for the gi I feel.

Blasphemy.

Clothing gives you the option to grab it, when it is not there you need other options. If you're stuck in a pit and you have a ladder, then your good. Shits easy and you're out in no time. But what if all you have is a pole? Stay in the pit? Fuck that. Its gonna be more difficult, and technical, but you're gonna get out of that pit. Then it becomes easy to scale the pole. Even efficient and graceful. Just look at strippers.

So there is my pro-nogi Dlr platform. Strippers. The mat is your stage, and their lead leg is your stripper pole. Make that money.

[Mike Nall]

The Gi is like a cult in some cases.

I don’t want to take away from this awesome thread, but I really don’t understand this. This is a false dichotomy. There are gi vs. no-gi debates, but they exist entirely on the internet. No one training hard in jiu-jitsu in 2013 is having these discussions. They’re archaic and largely brought up by white belts or newer grapplers, and you’ll see people that have trained longer re-enter the debates with the same arguments and positions.

The majority of the modern grappling world does both and they don't have the time nor energy to debate which is better. Even the competitive season is arranged for the first half of the year to be gi season, and the 2nd half of the year is no-gi season. All of the top level gyms train both. I can think of a very very small number of athletes that only participate in gi or no-gi at purple, brown, and black. I’m not saying it’s wrong to do one or the other. I’m saying that there aren’t these gi gyms out there that rally against no-gi. I can’t think of any major team that doesn’t embrace intense no-gi training (Alliance, Atos, Gracie Barra, Checkmat, Nova Uniao, the list is endless).

No-gi is a major part of modern grappling, and I promise you that everyone serious about jiu-jitsu knows this.

[Kyle Spalla]

Blasphemy.

Clothing gives you the option to grab it, when it is not there you need other options. If you're stuck in a pit and you have a ladder, then your good. Shits easy and you're out in no time. But what if all you have is a pole? Stay in the pit? Fuck that. Its gonna be more difficult, and technical, but you're gonna get out of that pit. Then it becomes easy to scale the pole. Even efficient and graceful. Just look at strippers.

So there is my pro-nogi Dlr platform. Strippers. The mat is your stage, and their lead leg is your stripper pole. Make that money.

Jean Jacques analogy- the mat is his ocean and he is a shark and most can't even swim.

Bobby River-Strippers and the climbing the poll. Each respectively profound in their own way. Ka-Boom.

[Liquidrob]

I haven't used a stripper pole yet to work my de la riva guard but I have gone spiral guard on a leg of a bench at my house

Sometimes you just got to invert!

[Chris Garry]

Blasphemy.

Clothing gives you the option to grab it, when it is not there you need other options. If you're stuck in a pit and you have a ladder, then your good. Shits easy and you're out in no time. But what if all you have is a pole? Stay in the pit? Fuck that. Its gonna be more difficult, and technical, but you're gonna get out of that pit. Then it becomes easy to scale the pole. Even efficient and graceful. Just look at strippers.

So there is my pro-nogi Dlr platform. Strippers. The mat is your stage, and their lead leg is your stripper pole. Make that money.

Lmao this thread continues to win

[bobby rivers]

I don’t want to take away from this awesome thread, but I really don’t understand this. This is a false dichotomy. There are gi vs. no-gi debates, but they exist entirely on the internet. No one training hard in jiu-jitsu in 2013 is having these discussions. They’re archaic and largely brought up by white belts or newer grapplers, and you’ll see people that have trained longer re-enter the debates with the same arguments and positions.

The majority of the modern grappling world does both and they don't have the time nor energy to debate which is better. Even the competitive season is arranged for the first half of the year to be gi season, and the 2nd half of the year is no-gi season. All of the top level gyms train both. I can think of a very very small number of athletes that only participate in gi or no-gi at purple, brown, and black. I’m not saying it’s wrong to do one or the other. I’m saying that there aren’t these gi gyms out there that rally against no-gi. I can’t think of any major team that doesn’t embrace intense no-gi training (Alliance, Atos, Gracie Barra, Checkmat, Nova Uniao, the list is endless).

No-gi is a major part of modern grappling, and I promise you that everyone serious about jiu-jitsu knows this.

Guys dont take this post as a lecture, but as truth. Fact is that MOST, not ALL, of the guys who can crush you without breaking a sweat do both and do it well. Pressure, control, and passing will always work.

I have seen what they are talkin about tho. In smaller, slightly non-competitive gyms. They refuse to roll me nogi. They even show up to nogi open mat with their gi on. Now as Mike said it a nonissue for me. Eddie gave me my fundamentals and im good. I feel fortunate.

The gi to me was like goin to another county that speaks a foriegn language. You might as well learn what you can while you're there to make things easier. But when you leave, you never regret learning another language. It only enhances your ability to communicate.

[bobby rivers]

I haven't used a stripper pole yet to work my de la riva guard but I have gone spiral guard on a leg of a bench at my house

Sometimes you just got to invert!

You get it