Robson Moura

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05-19-2012, 11:06 PM
Brandon Mccaghren

Robson Moura

He's awesome and has a ton of prestigious titles.

Why is it that we rarely hear him mentioned when people talk about the greatest jiu jitsu fighters/practitioners?

World Championships: 7
Years 1996 / 1997 / 1998 / 1999 / 2000 / 2002 / 2007

Brazilian Championships for Team: 6
Years 1997 / 1998 / 2000 / 2001 / 2002 / 2003

U.S. Nationals Pro Black Belt Champion: 2007

LA Sub X Champion: 2006

Pan American Championships: 2
Years: 1996 & 2007 – Los Angeles CA.

Rio de Janiero Championships: 8
Years: 1990 / 1991 / 1992 / 1993 / 1994 / 1995 / 1996 / 1997

Sao Paulo Championships: 3

Netherlands Open Championship: 1
Years: 1996

Challenge Med Cannibal Champion: 1
Year: 1996
05-19-2012, 11:25 PM
Mike Nall

IMO it's because he's not a youtube era champion. He had racked up most of his titles before BJJ became popular on youtube. It's the same with a guy like Terere or Shaolin or Leo Santos.

Also at least with the 10th P guys, Robson didn't do as much ADCC or No-Gi Worlds, and no MMA, so I doubt many 10th P guys are really watching his Worlds matches, etc.
05-20-2012, 12:14 AM
Slick Rick

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Originally Posted by Mike Nall

IMO it's because he's not a youtube era champion. He had racked up most of his titles before BJJ became popular on youtube. It's the same with a guy like Terere or Shaolin or Leo Santos.

Also at least with the 10th P guys, Robson didn't do as much ADCC or No-Gi Worlds, and no MMA, so I doubt many 10th P guys are really watching his Worlds matches, etc.

Very true. There are phenomenal gi players out there. If you ask any gi guy, they'll know who Robson is. Terere, Ruben Charles, same thing.

But the highest recognition for no gi is to win at the highest no gi levels: ADCC's(one division), and Worlds. Pan Ams are getting more popular for nogi as well.
05-20-2012, 05:17 AM
DanConway

Love me some hobson, his super no-gi DVD's are improving my game drastically especially pro level insight on fundamentals of positions and control...

My buddy keeps posting on facebook he needs something to do everyday, so I looked for a local jiujitsu school for him, turns out hes like 8 miles from Robson's school in FL that Robson's always at and personally instructs classes. So immaking my friend go there although he dosen't realize how lucky he is to be able to train with Robson directly for just a regular bjj class rate but im sure he will soon ;]
05-20-2012, 07:58 AM
Will Thaxton

My local school is in the process of Nova Uniao affiliation. They bring in black belts to do seminars, belt testing, etc. One of them, Steve Snyder from high point, NC told me that when Robson was young the Shiek invited him out and he turned him down. Robson was young and immature at the time and did not realize what a big honor that was. It took him a long time to recover from that.
05-20-2012, 11:39 AM
Mike Nall

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Originally Posted by Slick Rick

Very true. There are phenomenal gi players out there. If you ask any gi guy, they'll know who Robson is. Terere, Ruben Charles, same thing.

But the highest recognition for no gi is to win at the highest no gi levels: ADCC's(one division), and Worlds. Pan Ams are getting more popular for nogi as well.

For sure, but Robson as I think you are saying is also a fantastic no-gi player, and always has been.
05-20-2012, 12:34 PM
Drew Ash

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uWKvBzcL7PI
Short documentary about Robson Moura
05-20-2012, 01:10 PM
Jack LaBarge

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Originally Posted by Mike Nall

For sure, but Robson as I think you are saying is also a fantastic no-gi player, and always has been.

Robson is a 7 time World Champion in the Gi. No-gi he has had success at a high level but he's never been elite compared to his Gi success.
05-20-2012, 01:59 PM
Mike Dewitt Jr

I think it has to do with the way he says S-mount....
05-20-2012, 02:34 PM
Mike Nall

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jack LaBarge

Robson is a 7 time World Champion in the Gi. No-gi he has had success at a high level but he's never been elite compared to his Gi success.

Are you kidding me? It's not like he did a bunch of ADCC events and lost, he's only done a few no-gi tournaments ever.

not trying to come off like a dick. The way you wrote that just makes it read like he does both all the time for all these years and just isn't as good without the gi. The fact is besides a couple of Grappler's Quest comps and ADCC 2001 and 2011 I don't think Robson has even done anything else no-gi.

So basically for "elite" tournaments he has done 2 no-gi. In 2001 he got the Bronze, and in 2011 he lost on points to Rafael Mendes and got subbed by Jeff Glover in a match he was controlling until the final 20 seconds. That's elite in any book. Robson is a boss, and if he had been able to do ADCC in 03/05/07/09 he would have been right there with the Roylers, Rani Yahyas, Leo Vieiras, Cobrinhas, and Rafa Mendes.

He's way past his competitive prime and did fantastic at ADCC last year. The only time he didn't look beast mode was when Glover wrapped his head up and when Rafa leg dragged him.
05-20-2012, 04:02 PM
Jack LaBarge

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Originally Posted by Mike Nall

Are you kidding me? It's not like he did a bunch of ADCC events and lost, he's only done a few no-gi tournaments ever.

Gi/No-Gi is literally the lamest false division/debate ever. Robson is probably a top 10 Jiu-Jitsu competitor of all time, period.

My quote is accurate!!! Robson has Not had the same success in no-gi as he had in Gi. Period. Don't take it like I'm saying he sucks.

When he fought in a Gi he was almost unbeatable!!!! No-gi you can't say the same thing. Yes, he didn't compete in many no-gi tournaments. But he fought in enough to know he wasn't the BEST no-gi guy out there.

The perception is there that he was a much better Gi guy: Even Slick Rick was talking about it.

Yes, you are right that he is a top 10 BJJ competitor of all time. Would never debate that.

Don't look at this...no respect for Robson http://www.bjjheroes.com/bjj-news/to...rs-of-all-time
05-20-2012, 04:33 PM
Jack LaBarge

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Originally Posted by Mike Nall

. Robson is a boss, and if he had been able to do ADCC in 03/05/07/09 he would have been right there with the Roylers, Rani Yahyas, Leo Vieiras, Cobrinhas, and Rafa Mendes.

He's way past his competitive prime and did fantastic at ADCC last year. The only time he didn't look beast mode was when Glover wrapped his head up and when Rafa leg dragged him.

Maybe! We will never know.

Maybe, were getting caught up in our words. Never said he wasn't elite in no-gi!

Robson: Gi- THE best! No one better! No-gi- elite, absolutely....but IMO not THE best!

Maybe not in his competitive prime but Robson was 33 when he competed in the 2011 ADCC. He's not that old.
05-20-2012, 04:54 PM
Mike Nall

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Originally Posted by Jack LaBarge

Maybe! We will never know.

Maybe, were getting caught up in our words. Never said he wasn't elite in no-gi!

Robson: Gi- THE best! No one better! No-gi- elite, absolutely....but IMO not THE best!

Maybe not in his competitive prime but Robson was 33 when he competed in the 2011 ADCC. He's not that old.

Fair enough. I think I got confused by the semantics. I still believe he would've made it to the final four of any of those ADCC brackets in those 8 years but I got you. When BJJ Heroes first started they actually had Robson at #2 or 3 I think all time, but they started using a point system, and over the last few years some names have kept racking up multiple world titles and he's been knocked off the list.

I agree he's not that old, but he's at the age where he's likely to be able to hang at top but might have a hard time closing the deal in the semi finals and finals of the big tournaments. There's so many new people coming up the pipe and so many factors for winning the Worlds or ADCC anyways. I really think you could pick any bracket run it 5 or 10 times and get at least 2 or 3 different winners.

I know it's going off topic but take the Medio/Middle. Right below Marcelo Garcia you have Kron Gracie, Caludio Calasans, Murilo Santana, Davi Ramos, & Victor Estima. Any of those 5 can beat each other on any given day, and on the right day I think Davi Ramos could beat Marcelo eventually. Every division is getting beyond stacked right now. There are almost no easy picks anymore.
05-20-2012, 06:17 PM
Jack LaBarge

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Originally Posted by Mike Nall

I know it's going off topic but take the Medio/Middle. Right below Marcelo Garcia you have Kron Gracie, Caludio Calasans, Murilo Santana, Davi Ramos, & Victor Estima. Any of those 5 can beat each other on any given day, and on the right day I think Davi Ramos could beat Marcelo eventually. Every division is getting beyond stacked right now. There are almost no easy picks anymore.

IMO, Marcelo isn't losing to anyone in his weight for a long while. I would love to see Marcelo & Rafael Mendes match up. Yeah, Davi Ramos is a beast! He's so explosive & fun to watch!
05-20-2012, 06:37 PM
Mike Nall

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Originally Posted by Jack LaBarge

IMO, Marcelo isn't losing to anyone in his weight for a long while. I would love to see Marcelo & Rafael Mendes match up. Yeah, Davi Ramos is a beast! He's so explosive & fun to watch!

I agree on all counts.
05-20-2012, 08:00 PM
Gray

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jack LaBarge

Maybe not in his competitive prime but Robson was 33 when he competed in the 2011 ADCC. He's not that old.

Yeah, but I think the Glover kneebar he didn't tap to is catching up to him. After that kneebar he only managed to win one more medal and hasn't been the same.

And Robson is the man. I've met him a couple times when he comes up to my coach at tournaments, very cool dude. I watch his competition footage all the time along with Shaolin to figure out half guard.
05-20-2012, 08:37 PM
Will Thaxton

Being stuck in Ryan Hall's 50/50 and coming out with a victory is not bad.
05-20-2012, 10:30 PM
Brandon Mccaghren

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mike Nall

I know it's going off topic but take the Medio/Middle. Right below Marcelo Garcia you have Kron Gracie, Caludio Calasans, Murilo Santana, Davi Ramos, & Victor Estima. Any of those 5 can beat each other on any given day, and on the right day I think Davi Ramos could beat Marcelo eventually. Every division is getting beyond stacked right now. There are almost no easy picks anymore.

Speaking of Murilo Santana, he's another guy that's rarely talked about but is among the elite in the world.
05-21-2012, 08:30 AM
Mike Nall

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Originally Posted by Brandon Mccaghren

Speaking of Murilo Santana, he's another guy that's rarely talked about but is among the elite in the world.

Absolutely. I heard him called the Ron Paul of grappling. Fits nicely. Not many people can finish Calasans, beat Vinny Magalhaes, and lose to Kron and Galvao on negative points from sitting guard in the points period, and still not be talked about. No one gives Murilo any props.
05-21-2012, 12:56 PM
rock d

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mike Dewitt Jr

I think it has to do with the way he says S-mount....

haha!