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I noticed there's some differences between wrestling side control (1 arm around head, 1 around leg), twister side control, judo side control and regular. Like it's easier to mount and north/south choke from twister control but not able to mount from judo side control. Anyone know the differences? Is one better than the other?
I think that you really need to know all 3 to maximize your ability to stay on top of an active opponent that is constantly scrambling to escape. Each type of side control has unique setups to submissions that your opponent may be susceptible to so it's best to just learn them all.
Personally, nothing is more fun for me than successfully transitioning to the truck from twister side control. The truck is a better kill-zone for me than the back so I really want to develop this transition. For this reason I always try to take twister side control when given the opportunity. And while I've only hit the twister roll a few times so far - I'm getting better & better at keeping top twister side control while I hunt for the leg.
I think its good to at least be able to transition between between each one but whether a position is good for you all depends on how much time/repitition you put into the position. The more time you put into it the closer it is to becoming a dead zone. So one isnt better than the other.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jason Koh
I can't pass someone's guard. That's how much my BJJ sucks lol. I always get mounted and choked out, it's so frustrating.
Takes time to get good at guard passing, I'm just barely starting to make some gains myself. Keep at it, and being stuck in guard is better then being mounted or Side Controlled...Quote:
I can't pass someone's guard. That's how much my BJJ sucks lol. I always get mounted and choked out, it's so frustrating.
Idk how to escape from rubber guard especiallyQuote:
Originally Posted by HerbChao
Rubber guard was designed to be a really hard position get free from, as well as the Lock Down. Where you really see your game improve is when you start drilling guard passes. If you can just flow through people's guards and attack you'll be a beast. That's how Marcelo rolls. Just be patient, put in the reps and then put in more reps. They say you have to do something 1,000 times for it to become muscle memory, so it really is just doing and waiting for your body to get used to the movements. I write down on a notepad where I feel like I am improving and where I still have holes, it really helps me. In being a white belt you just have to hone the basics and above all else survive. Blue and Purple is when attacking and offense really start becoming a factor. Breathe, slow, down, think and above all else don't be your own worst critic on the mat. It'll come together.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jason Koh
I try to survive but it's so hard because I'm like the newest member of 10th planet and other guys know way more techniques than me. But i do get your point, although i think I'm horrible for a person who trained for 2 months and a half of Jitz, lol. I like rolling with white belts though, it gives me an opportunity to use the techniques I learned.
Even Eddie says it takes three months man to start feel yourself getting it. Talk with the person you're rolling with before you start and tell them hey I am having difficulty and I really want to work these positions, 9 times out of 10 they will be down to help you improve. Just except the fact your the greenest guy there and that you are learning. And if you don't survive so what? It's just practice, I have been choked out in State Championship matches in Judo and competed 10 minutes later after that. Everyone taps. Eventually you'll see the mistakes you're making and find a way to correct them. Don't be your worst enemy and let your ego go. I used to get killed and I am like ok I gotta survive against this guy for 3 minutes and I only make it 39 seconds my first time, then I make it 55 and then 2 minutes...so forth and so on. Small victories man, but improvement nonetheless.
Should i work on my defense then? It's better than my offense but I still get tossed around and choked.
It is always easier to defend then attack to get a good base find what positions work for you and drill those and if you like feel a certain submission works for you. If you have solid defense then someone your grappling with will likely run into something and that's when you can catch them.
Jason Koh, I am in the same boat as you. I have Zero BJJ background experience, I have only been training for maybe a month and a half combined (When you count the classes I skipped at the start as I was getting back into shape) and I am getting my ass kicked by every member of our 10th P club. I finally noticed some inprovement when I concentrated on one or two moves, and tried to get my opponent using ONLY either one of them for a couple weeks.
For me it is Darce from side control and a North South leg headlock with a lock-in hand choke. I worked those moves and didn't really try anything else. It's tough because we're going up against students that are learning the 10th P system, so they know what to look for, and they have more experience, so I am getting eaten alive. Plus because I was only going for those two moves, they all caught on pretty fast on what to defend against: but once in a while lately I have had a victory.
Now that I stuck with those two moves, I have started adding in the ghost escapes and they are working very nicely for me. I can't promise you that my approach will work for you, but I know that by only focusing on those two moves for a while, I cemented them into my repertoire, and I can try to work into those positions without thinking about it.
So once I feel the same with Ghost and Spectre, I will have four techniques that I am confortable applying on a resisting opponent, and then add a couple more.
Try it out. It might help you. I don't know, it helped me.
As far as defense goes, I am my own worst enemy, because I keep handing my opponents an arm bar opportunity on a silver paltter. I have to concentrate on avoiding the arm bars and triangle chokes for now.
I'm just writing this to let you know that you're going through what every new 10th P BJJ student goes through, so don't get frustrated or dejected. Shit, on my first night out I got tapped out by a 12 year old with an ankle lock I had never even seen before. We all have to leave our egos at the door.
Damn, I hate how I can't edit to fix typos.
Takes time man. My top game sucked for awhile because I always trained with bigger guys so I always ended up on my back. My guard game and guard recovery jumped leaps and bounds but I had to focus on my guard passing and top game. Training with guard players really helped my top game. My mount still sucks but Im working on it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jason Koh
So I guess my point is..repetition. Keep working it. If you find a problem, develop a theory on how to solve the problem and keep at it till you solve that problem. Thats how you progress
This.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kurzy
The primary diffrences in the various forms of side control is weight distribution and points of contact.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jason Koh
I always ask myself: where am I making a connection on my opponents body, with what part of my body, and where am I applying pressure. My objective is to elminate space and seal gaps. Each form of side control requires a different answer for each one of those questions.
I got some techniques down but when I roll, they either let me just have it or make it impossible for me to use it. How do you guys deal with that?
Check their oilQuote:
Originally Posted by Jason Koh
I feel like I am in a similar boat. My top game sucked for a while because I rolled the most with bigger, stronger, former wrestlers/construction workers. Crazy ass grips on my wrists! Omoplatas and Triangles were the only submissions I could catch on people more advanced than I.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brent Smith
My mount got great when I started omoplata from the mount. Its not usually too hard to bait your opponent into undercooking you even temporarily. Let me know what you think. If you're big on clinching at all times (rubber guard), maybe try to visualize rubber guard from the mount?
Just a note, I'm certainly not trying to give you, a higher rank, advice... just sharing what I wonder if may be a similar experience.
No worries, I try to learn from everybody white through black. Im starting to really look for omoplatas and monoplatas from the mount and Im a very big rubber guard player so this is a great suggestionQuote:
Originally Posted by OmyPlata
More Reps.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jason Koh