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Ok so ive had this conversation with a few people but i wanna see what you all think...
What do you all do about strength training? do you weight lift before rolling/training or after? or do you do it in different days completely? or do you avoid weight lifting all together?
I want to gain muscle size, but i realized that when i weight lift i obviously get sore and my rolling goes down the drain and my game doesnt improve... etc
so how do you all deal with this? thoughts?
I try not to lift and roll on the same days, but if i do, i lift light and roll hard or vice versa. I don't know how long you have been lifting consistently but eventually you shouldn't be so sore the next day, making it much easier to roll the day after. Thats my little input anyways...
as for me i been lifting weights about 30 years , and i do a split routine training bodyparts broken down into a 3 day cycle and i go to class 2 days a week due to my nightshift work shedule and open mat when i can .
day one ;chest ,shoulders triceps day two ;back biceps traps day three legs and calves ...abs 5-6 days
This hasn't been the case for the last couple months because an intense school schedule has kept me out of the gym and 10th planet.. but in general I work out 4 days a week and train 3-4 and there would be overlap. I focus on strength.. each day associated with a certain lift(overhead press, deadlift, bench, squat) and accessories related to the lift and that would be beneficial to my performance. Do a three week cycle with a deload week.. then repeat. Some of my accessories would be Olympic lifts but I also throw a cycle of purely Olympic lifts every couple of months... which goes 3 days a week but absolutely kills.. that would be to hard to explain without a even longer wall of text.
Like Dustin said at some point you won't be sore anymore.. once your body gets used to the volume. It does effect me when I train to a certain extent.. in the sense that my strength is severally limited.. but I prefer it that way. Forces me to get the technique right instead of powering through it which is something I struggle with and that has limited me.
Thats basically what I do.. works for me..
I never lift on the same day as rolling, i try to only roll on lifting "off" days, but after a few weeks of consistent, proper weight lifting, you shouldn't really get sore anymore. At least not sore enough to really limit your rolling, unless you are training for a fight and roll 100% sometimes in which case you had better be doing some strength training or you're in trouble haha.
I alternate days... Jujitsu Monday, Weight Lift Tuesday.
Somedays do overlap, but in that case, I lift weights on my lunch break, then go to class at night... Giving me a decent amount of time to rest.
Weight lifting for me is always total body. Heavy weights, short reps. (3 sets of 5 or 6 reps) I try to be explosive with the lift every time.
Seems to be working well for me....
I also have a nutritionist that has me eating properly for my metabolism.
I know it's hard to spend the money, but I feel like the nutritionist is what helps me the most.
I had no idea that I was burning over 3000 calories at rest until I took the metabolism test.
Couple that in with all the jujitsu and weightlifting, I was burning mad calories and not getting
enough fuel for my body. I think it's important to know what your body is doing normally, so
that you can make adjustments in your diet to build muscle mass or cut weight.
This is all just my opinion though....
Been weight training for 14 years, went from 155 (then) - 210 (today). Took up BJJ 4 months ago, still feels like I got hit by a truck the day after I roll.
If you're trying to put on muscle mass, switch up your weight training routine when you stop getting sore. Otherwise, you won't gain muscle mass as effectively. You're sore because the muscles are being broken down and rebuilt.
I try not to train/roll on the same day.
Im a Personal trainer and so im always in the gym, i train everyday i do something i usually focus on my fast twitch muscle fibers and cardio on days im going to roll and i tend to lift heavy and do my explosive stuff on the other days in the week and i do yoga everyday to keep loose. If your going to lift and try and gain remember that gaining power and gaining size are two different things and they do not i repeat they do not mean the same thing.
REMEMBER to STRETCH even after heavy lifting as it will help your muscle fibers recover as well as help you keep up with your 10th planet jj game
Jiu jitsu monday tuesday thursday friday. S and C on Saturdays, just my 2 cents, that's what I would do if I didn't have to travel every weekend :)
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Originally Posted by Eddie Bravo
what you eat is really important for gaining muscle size. think its about 2g of proteins pr kilo of body weight. and just shitloads of carbs (not coke carbs)
Sorry to be a grave digger but some forums hate when you start a new topic without searching.
I've just gotten into weight lifting a few months ago and I don't know if it's in my head or not but I feel like I've slowed down. Moving just seems harder. I went from sloth-speed to snail-speed. I've also lost shoulder some shoulder flexibility due to slight size increase.
I started lifting because my arms were super weak. Now they're stronger and people can't wrist control me as easily but I find myself having a harder time springing back up from the ground and slipping out of positions. I used to just bend and twist out of everything but now it seems that folks can just force armbars.
I don't know if I just have to get used to my new physique in time or if it's just me having a bit of a down season?
Did anyone else need time to adjust? Did people gaining size hurt their game?
To put it in perspective I typically play off my back and sweep into spiderweb or play rubberguard. I'm trying to develop more top game now that I'm less bottom heavy. I used to have huge legs but scrawny shoulders/arms but now I'm more proportional.
ps - This was brought on by getting owned in rolling by a super agressive semi-new guy, lol. </qq>
just focus 100 percent on jiu jitsu.
Right now I condition mon-fri roll jj on tue thurs sat. If I could I would roll mon-sat.
You make it sound like you've ballooned up from 125lbs to 200lbs :P You need to work flexibility while you get stronger... if you don't do any mobility etc.. you'll most definitely lose flexibility. You can be 300lbs and do the splits if you felt the need.. nothing in your body saying you can't do that. As far as being slower etc.. probably mental.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr Fantastic Shawn Murphy
Eddie, no Wednesday?
I was real big into weights before jj so I already had a strength base. Now i just do core, pullups, pushups, and lunges sparatically throughout the week.
JJ in itself is serious strength training. Manipulating your own and another fully grown body takes extreme muscle exertion. Buy being stronger , like any attribute, only helps.
If you wanna lift you need to focus twice as hard on stretching as others have mentioned, also I really wouldn't be doing benches and all that typical bodybuilder jazz. My two cents: really focus on your core/hips/legs/and grip/squeeze strength.
Seriously, roll HARD for like 3 hours and listen to your body to see what has really fatigued and I bet you dollars to doughnuts it'll be those muscle groups.
for jijitsu I'd rather be super flexible than super strong.
Hi, I am a S&C coach and I would recommend spliting rolling and lifting, also focus on strength and power high weight low reps fast movements. also just focus on the big lifts like squats, deadlift, bench, chins, cleans and snatches.
Hope this helps.