http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0EwIv...yer_detailpage
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Interesting.
Bookmarking
3 hours? Am I really supposed to believe that this story couldn't be told in an hour? Not bookmarking.
Another thing that was interesting was the number of websites that were published days before the shooting that were sending condolences to the families that lost children in the tragedy.
The "two men in the woods" video looks more like a bunch of people running "TO" the woods, not a bunch of people "Chasing" people.
I made it through the first video today (mostly). Some of the assumptions made are without merit. But some questions are definitely left unanswered.
It just seems so absurd to believe that something so massive, with so many people, and so many people filming, could be just a "hoax".
I'll try to get through video 2 tomorrow.
I wouldn't say the whole thing was a hoax and the film maker also said that he doesn't believe it to be a hoax either. But when you look at the evidence it's clear that there is some trickery afoot. I don't know what happend but I don't believe the 'lone wolf gunmen', a 20 year old kid went in there by himself and shot all those people.
Nice try.
Neither of those articles actually address any of the true discrepancies with this obvious false flag. They only mention the disinformation which was intentionally put out to lead people away from the real issues. Basically, they were strawmen which were built up to be knocked down and make "conspiracy theorists" look crazy.
WHERE'S THE VIDEO??
man not everything is a conspiracy. I can get into UFO's because theres hardware and software supporting the subject that you can reach out and touch. the arura texas crash in 1889 before manned flight two news papers reporting it, debris and a grave. The actual micro film of those papers that anyone can see for themselves ect. Software of spoken word & stories, hardware of cave drawings ect. But all this Sandy Hook shit is just speculation, but if it is true then people need to realize that the NWO & the UFO cover up are all under the same umbrella. The global elite consider themselves to be direct decendents of anchient gods AKA anchient aliens and they believe they have a devine right to run the world. It's funny how the same people who get into all thease Sandy Hook style conspiracies will argue to death the validity of there point based on pure speculation & not even a fraction of the same evidence of both hardware and software that the UFO subject has. And they will have the nerve to say the UFO subject is crazy. " man people are just silly "
3 hours? id rather watch dark knight rises again and then jerk off to porn for 15 minutes.:rolleyes:
The articles you provided don't really offer any attempt at "debunking", so I'll respond to the original Salon.com article from which all other similar articles stem. Basically, it is a reply to the hyper-popular thirty minute "Sandy Hook - Fully Exposed" video that got over ten million hits. I believe that the video in question was created as disinformation precisely so it could be easily debunked.
Below I will gloss over the individual points of the article and show how they mislead and ignore real questions. Here is the original propaganda piece:
http://www.salon.com/2013/01/18/your...piracy_theory/
1. "Why aren’t the adults sadder?"
Salon's answer to this question is a simple "People mourn in many different ways...", and they dare to suggest that the reactions of the parents were genuine because a "scientist" said so.
B-b-b-b-bullshit.
The parents and family members are not just "not sad", they are exuberant! Even when they try to act sad, they shed no tears. ZERO tears have been shed by family members. ZERO. Oh wait, not only has there been no crying, they have actually pretended to cry. There has been more emotion from bystanders. Sure, I concede that people react to situations in different ways, but this argument quickly collapses upon itself once you consider that every single person involved in this farce has reacted the same exact way: with zero true emotions. Odds, please? Compare this Columbine interview:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AITlyeUoQ5E
They aren't just actors, they are cult members. They exhibit classic signs of dissociated mind slaves who lack empathy and emotion. Even actors can cry. If you can show me one single tear shed by a family member so far, I will concede my delusion. And oh yeah, most of them moved to Newtown within the last two years.
Here’s some more grieving parent fiction:
nodisinfo.com/Home/2013/02/13/parker-firehouse-grief-pictures-a-total-fake-ap-implicated/
2. "What about Emilie?"
Salon references the "conspiracy" that Emilie Parker is pictured with the President after the shooting wearing the same dress from a previous family picture. The girl in the photo is obviously Emilie's supposed sister. The real question is why did they put the girl in her murdered sister's dress? I believe it was intentionally done to make the conspiracy theorists look foolish. It is one of the most prolific strawmen being used by the media. It’s called distraction.
They also address the alleged Photoshopping of a Parker family photo and pretty much blow it off (the picture of Emilie flashing the Baphomet sign is another strawman, it’s more misdirection). Of course, they conveniently link this unrelated topic (because it is one of the greatest pieces of evidence) to the Emilie Parker switcheroo so that readers will casually dismiss it. Well, the photo is Photoshopped, but in this photo it is hard to see for the untrained eye. But what the mainstream media will NEVER address is the FACT that most every photo of the victims IS Photoshopped. Here are some of the more blatant examples. Please prove me wrong. All of these photos were either released by the media or family facebook pages.
Vicki Soto and her "best friend":
http://nodisinfo.com/Home/wp-content...stfriends1.png
Soto and family:
http://nodisinfo.com/Home/wp-content...ppedfakefa.png
More Soto (where are the boy's legs?):
http://i1292.photobucket.com/albums/...ps15d1a527.jpg
More Soto (ocean tile artifact):
http://i1292.photobucket.com/albums/...ps011540a1.png
Grace McDonnell and mother:
http://nodisinfo.com/Home/wp-content...-mainphoto.png
A closer look:
http://nodisinfo.com/Home/wp-content...outchunks1.png
Transparent McDonnell:
http://nodisinfo.com/Home/wp-content...ellseethru.png
A closer look:
http://nodisinfo.com/Home/wp-content...seethrough.png
Daniel Barden (notice the hands):
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/...63_634x352.jpg
Catherine Hubbard (notice the backwards thumb):
http://nodisinfo.com/Home/wp-content...ard-thumb2.png
Does this look familiar?:
http://nodisinfo.com/Home/wp-content...ubbardcomp.png
These examples are only a fraction of what’s available. If these photos are faked, and they are, the question appears… Why fake them?
3. “Why do they all look the same?”
Salon attempts to inject humor with this cursory explanation: “Not all women with brown hair are the same person.”
Another strawman. It takes attention away from the fact that a lot of people involved are not really who they say they are. The most obvious example is the curious case of Nick and Laurie Phelps (a confirmed actress):
http://nodisinfo.com/Home/wp-content...enberg-ear.png
They are actually Richard Sexton and Jennifer Sexton-Greenberg from Florida:
http://nodisinfo.com/Home/2013/01/19...a-to-buzz-off/
And it gets better!
The children of Richard and Jennifer Sexton are pretending to be the family of teacher Vicki Soto!
http://beforeitsnews.com/opinion-con...s-2557294.html
4. “But what about the rifle?”
“It was the rifle!”, “The rifle was in the trunk.”, “It was a shotgun in the trunk!”
The account of what firearms were used changed constantly. It should have been a pretty easy thing to figure out. It’s interesting that the rifle was said to have been in the trunk early in the day (when it was still daylight, remember the coroner video?), but they didn’t show the video of them taking the shotgun out of the trunk until much later (the video is at night). *cough*bullshit*cough* They conveniently turned the shotgun into another strawman, and we’ll never know the truth.
But I digress… this issue only obscures the real firearm question... WHERE ARE THE PICTURES OF THEM?
5. “How come the memorial pages were created before the shooting?”
Salon explains that’s it’s merely a product of Google glitches (strawman). Conveniently, they disregard the fact that many of the post date discrepancies are on individual websites (including Facebook), and have ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH GOOGLE.
I won’t go any farther into this issue as I feel that there are bigger fish to fry.
6. “What about the car?”
This issue is far from debunked.
Here is the police radio:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ETkrxfYoQtc
30:15 – Officer asks for license plate to be run: “872 YEO”
30:40 – Dispatch spells his name “Christopher A. Rodia”. Birth date “AUG 6 ‘69”.
Here is the picture of the car reported as Lanza’s:
http://news.yahoo.com/photos/car-dri...213310925.html
The documentary at the beginning of this thread handles the topic quite well.
7. “What about the man in the woods?”
Salon: “It was Chris Manfredonia, the father of a 6-year-old who attends the school. He was on his way to the school to make gingerbread houses with first-graders when he heard gunfire and smelled sulfur, so he ran.”
What Salon fails to mention is that he was supposed to be there at 2pm per his wife. If this was a mistake and he was there on time (four hours early), where were the other parents? He also lives 500 yards away from the Lanza residence. Why was he running with another man? He heard gunshots, so he ran AWAY from where his daughter was to hide in the woods? Sorry, not buying it.
8. “But there was another man in the woods (maybe)”
Not maybe. The video shows it all. There are two men.
Salon explains: “Actually, he was, according to the Newtown Bee, ‘an off-duty tactical squad police officer from another town’ who heard the gunfire.”
This is the same Newtown Bee that quoted the dead principal (see point 12)? And why exactly was this tactical squad officer even there (the whole event happened in minutes)? Why did he run? Too many questions, no answers.
9. “What about the third man at the firehouse?”
Who knows? We never will. Let’s move on.
10. “Then why did some eyewitnesses report multiple shooters?”
Because there were?
Salon cites “stress and confusion”. I’m more inclined to believe that to find the truth in any event like this, you must dissect the initial moments before information can become organized and controlled.
11. “What about that Gene Rosen guy?”
Salon dismisses Rosen by basically saying “He isn’t a member of the Screen Actor’s Guild like that one video said, so case closed.”
Yeah right. Rosen’s stories (yes, stories, he keeps changing his mind) are so contrived, they are obviously fraudulent. Also, he is the CEO of CTV21 Newton Ct Video, a TV Network, however, the media insists on calling him a “retired psychologist”. Pretty fishy.
And, oh yeah, he really is an actor:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Avh_icAlonw
12. “But how was the dead principal quoted?”
Dawn Hochsprung, Sandy Hook's principal, had an interview with the Newtown Bee in which she stated "a masked man entered the school with a rifle and started shooting multiple shots" and that the shots were "more than she could count".
http://sandyhooktruth.files.wordpres...beearticle.png
One problem. She’s reported dead.
Salon replies:
“The Bee quickly posted a retraction and apology: ‘An early online report from the scene at the December 14 shootings at Sandy Hook Elementary School quoted a woman who identified herself to our reporter as the principal of the school. The woman was not the school’s principal, Dawn Hochsprung, who was killed in the Friday morning attack.’ Things are confusing in the aftermath.”
Yeah, I’m pretty damn confused. Who was this mysterious woman, and why does she seem to be the only one who actually saw a gunman? Does she not exist? Was she a practical joker? Or is Dawn H. not really dead? Read the following article and make your own decision:
http://nodisinfo.com/Home/2013/02/12...fake-marriage/
13. “What about the LIBOR connection?”
Simply another strawman. There is no evidence to support this claim, and it is widely being used to discredit those who are asking real questions.
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And finally, here are some real questions that need answering. Too bad it’s not gonna happen. This is only a small sample of the most important.
1. Where has Adam been? No one had seen Adam Lanza for three years prior to the event. Friends, relatives, NO ONE. He practically disappeared from the face of the earth. Neighbors had never seen Adam and Nancy Lanza before; they didn't even know that they lived at the supposed residence. The media has reported that he was a "genius" with computers, and yet he has no online footprint. Here are some quotes on the issue:
"I don't remember Adam, except when he was a child..."
"Reporters have been asking around if anybody knows them on the block... and nobody knows them... which is odd for this neighborhood, because a lot of people in this neighborhood know each other, and if they don't know each other, they know of somebody."
"And even someone who lived just two doors down from the Lanza's said they have very little information about the family and didn't really know Adam Lanza."
"About three years ago, back in 2009... after that... it seems that Adam Lanza simply fell off the face of the Earth. There isn't any record of what he did, what he may have accomplished, who he met with. We've had a very difficult time finding friends who even knew him from 2009 on."
2. What was Lanza's motive? No note, no nothing?
3. Why did Lanza have his brother’s VALID I.D. when he had not seen him in over three years? Why would he even want to have it with him?
4. No one saw anything. There aren’t any witnesses who actually saw Lanza.
5. No ambulances? No chaos? No way.
6. He could not have fired that many rounds in that amount of time. No jams. No firearms experience. He was a scrawny kid supposedly wearing his weight in tactical gear. How is this even possible?
7. FEMA was conducting an active-shooter drill minutes away from Sandy Hook Elementary at another school. This drill took place at the EXACT SAME TIME of the Sandy Hook shooting. The drill was called "FEMA L-366 Planning for the Needs of Children in Disasters". Footage from this drill was deliberately spliced into footage of Sandy Hook on CNN on the day of the shooting.
Question: Why?
Fun Fact: Anderson Cooper (who showed the footage), was an intern for the CIA before randomly deciding that he wanted to be a TV journalist instead.
8. Here is my response to your last question. I posted this in another thread:
“The school was filled with security cameras. The front door, which had a thick pane of wire-mesh reinforced glass, always remained locked and was complimented by a high-tech security camera equipped with facial recognition software overlooking it. School policy was that no one was allowed entry without first showing an I.D. to the camera. Personally, I would like to see how a scrawny semi-autistic kid carrying his own body weight in tactical gear and wearing a face mask penetrated these defenses, especially considering the official statement reports that he shot through the glass to gain entry even though the first police responders on the scene reported having to break through the locked door to get inside.
In almost every single event such as this, video and pictures have been released when available. But not only are we given zero video evidence, we don't even get one picture of the supposed murder weapons. The only photo we get is a single, ambiguous pic of a line of children being led through a parking lot?
In an age where everyone has the power of video and photography in their pockets? Compare this event to other shootings such as Columbine, Virginia Tech, the Rio de Janeiro school shooting... The video and pictorial evidence is comprehensive. Sandy Hook... WE HAVE NOTHING. There is every reason to suspect conspiracy, so get a grip.”
And I don’t expect you to care. It takes quite a lot of effort to even begin to understand the multi-generational cult which runs the planet and how they truly operate. I’m talking countless hours of research and study. And it’s evident by this thread that most people can’t even be bothered to sit on their asses with their eyes open for three hours.
11. “What about that Gene Rosen guy?”
Salon dismisses Rosen by basically saying “He isn’t a member of the Screen Actor’s Guild like that one video said, so case closed.”
Yeah right. Rosen’s stories (yes, stories, he keeps changing his mind) are so contrived, they are obviously fraudulent. Also, he is the CEO of CTV21 Newton Ct Video, a TV Network, however, the media insists on calling him a “retired psychologist”. Pretty fishy.
And, oh yeah, he really is an actor:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Avh_icAlonw
12. “But how was the dead principal quoted?”
Dawn Hochsprung, Sandy Hook's principal, had an interview with the Newtown Bee in which she stated "a masked man entered the school with a rifle and started shooting multiple shots" and that the shots were "more than she could count".
http://sandyhooktruth.files.wordpres...beearticle.png
One problem. She’s reported dead.
Salon replies:
“The Bee quickly posted a retraction and apology: ‘An early online report from the scene at the December 14 shootings at Sandy Hook Elementary School quoted a woman who identified herself to our reporter as the principal of the school. The woman was not the school’s principal, Dawn Hochsprung, who was killed in the Friday morning attack.’ Things are confusing in the aftermath.”
Yeah, I’m pretty damn confused. Who was this mysterious woman, and why does she seem to be the only one who actually saw a gunman? Does she not exist? Was she a practical joker? Or is Dawn H. not really dead? Read the following article and make your own decision:
http://nodisinfo.com/Home/2013/02/12...fake-marriage/
13. “What about the LIBOR connection?”
Simply another strawman. There is no evidence to support this claim, and it is widely being used to discredit those who are asking real questions.
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And finally, here are some real questions that need answering. Too bad it’s not gonna happen. This is only a small sample of the most important.
1. Where has Adam been? No one had seen Adam Lanza for three years prior to the event. Friends, relatives, NO ONE. He practically disappeared from the face of the earth. Neighbors had never seen Adam and Nancy Lanza before; they didn't even know that they lived at the supposed residence. The media has reported that he was a "genius" with computers, and yet he has no online footprint. Here are some quotes on the issue:
"I don't remember Adam, except when he was a child..."
"Reporters have been asking around if anybody knows them on the block... and nobody knows them... which is odd for this neighborhood, because a lot of people in this neighborhood know each other, and if they don't know each other, they know of somebody."
"And even someone who lived just two doors down from the Lanza's said they have very little information about the family and didn't really know Adam Lanza."
"About three years ago, back in 2009... after that... it seems that Adam Lanza simply fell off the face of the Earth. There isn't any record of what he did, what he may have accomplished, who he met with. We've had a very difficult time finding friends who even knew him from 2009 on."
2. What was Lanza's motive? No note, no nothing?
3. Why did Lanza have his brother’s VALID I.D. when he had not seen him in over three years? Why would he even want to have it with him?
4. No one saw anything. There aren’t any witnesses who actually saw Lanza.
5. No ambulances? No chaos? No way.
6. He could not have fired that many rounds in that amount of time. No jams. No firearms experience. He was a scrawny kid supposedly wearing his weight in tactical gear. How is this even possible?
7. FEMA was conducting an active-shooter drill minutes away from Sandy Hook Elementary at another school. This drill took place at the EXACT SAME TIME of the Sandy Hook shooting. The drill was called "FEMA L-366 Planning for the Needs of Children in Disasters". Footage from this drill was deliberately spliced into footage of Sandy Hook on CNN on the day of the shooting.
Question: Why?
Fun Fact: Anderson Cooper (who showed the footage), was an intern for the CIA before randomly deciding that he wanted to be a TV journalist instead.
8. Here is my response to your last question. I posted this in another thread:
“The school was filled with security cameras. The front door, which had a thick pane of wire-mesh reinforced glass, always remained locked and was complimented by a high-tech security camera equipped with facial recognition software overlooking it. School policy was that no one was allowed entry without first showing an I.D. to the camera. Personally, I would like to see how a scrawny semi-autistic kid carrying his own body weight in tactical gear and wearing a face mask penetrated these defenses, especially considering the official statement reports that he shot through the glass to gain entry even though the first police responders on the scene reported having to break through the locked door to get inside.
In almost every single event such as this, video and pictures have been released when available. But not only are we given zero video evidence, we don't even get one picture of the supposed murder weapons. The only photo we get is a single, ambiguous pic of a line of children being led through a parking lot?
In an age where everyone has the power of video and photography in their pockets? Compare this event to other shootings such as Columbine, Virginia Tech, the Rio de Janeiro school shooting... The video and pictorial evidence is comprehensive. Sandy Hook... WE HAVE NOTHING. There is every reason to suspect conspiracy, so get a grip.”
And I don’t expect you to care. It takes quite a lot of effort to even begin to understand the multi-generational cult which runs the planet and how they truly operate. I’m talking countless hours of research and study. And it’s evident by this thread that most people can’t even be bothered to sit on their asses with their eyes open for three hours.
that or maybe your crazy.
I just couldn't spend my time responding when the first thing in the list was "why aren't the parents sadder?". What a crock of shit. Insulting to everyone involved.
With your manner of thinking it is just as possible that the sandy hook conspiracy is simply to distract from a different and even more sinister plot.
I've been servicing and installing electric security equipment for over 13 years including CCTV systems. The idea that a school (public or private) had "high tech" cameras and especially facial recognition ability is laughable, you have no idea what you are parroting. I cant legally disclose what security equipment a particular entity has because I am a certified alarm installer and I could loose my licence if I did disclose that. But the level of tech you are claiming this school had would be superior to the numerous state, federal and corporate buildings I have work for. Some of these places handled very sensitive data, I cant say what because that would give away who the customer was and since I said they didnt have a particular security measure I would be breaking the law that regulates my trade.
Obviously who are serving some kind of secret group whos goal is to distract from society's true ills by pushing outrageous conspiracy theories, your master are very proud.
The first thing on the list was directly taken from Salon's "debunking" article. I didn't choose it; I just responded to it.
You are insulting to the human race.
Now you're starting to get it.
Sandy Hook was a cultist sacrificial ritual that accomplished multiple goals, most of them hidden. But you shouldn't worry about it. I'm just crazy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-qJ757L-3jY
http://www.wtnh.com/dpp/news/fairfie...y#.USUUlmeaDcs
Mike Powers, who is doing a full investigation, has also found out that the front door camera did have embedded facial recognition software. All this means is that it takes High Definition photos which are stored in a database for future use in case some kind of incident takes place (as opposed to grainy low-res tech). The technology is actually really simple. In any case, he was supposedly wearing a ski mask, so this doesn't even matter. WHERE IS THE VIDEO?
You have no clue what society's "true" ills are, nor do you understand why the ills you're referencing exist in the first place. And I agree, the truth is outrageous.
The idea that the parents didnt look sad enough is stupid and insulting regardless of where it comes from, especially comparing the outward emotional responses of brazilians to americans, guess they aren't fight fans.
You are 100% wrong on the camera stuff. They are talking about an intercom system with a video camera. They are common and do not store or analyze images (DVR's store video captured from the camera). Facial recognition software is not just storing an image. The software for facial recognition installed on a PC never integrated into a camera (it takes a lot of computing power). A live person looking at a monitor inside see the person standing at the door and decides whether or not to allow access. Thats why the articles says most visitors would be asked to show ID. The secretary cant memorize everyones face. Like I said I've been in the trade for a long time, Ive done electronic security work for high security federal buildings, courthouses, prisons ect. for many years. The level of video analytics you are taking about does exist but it is extremely rare and cost prohibitive for nearly everyone. I do happen to know that one government agency has it, I cant say which one, but they have it because it is there specialty, not just as part of a security system to provide access control.
Again you might want to see a mental health professional.
You are societies true ill, under educated know-it-alls with neither common sense or the ability to employ basic reason or logic.
The only reason I respond to this kind of mental diarrhea is that people from all over the world look at this forum and I want to be able to wear 10th planet gear in public without being embarrassed. People have to know that not everyone trying to learn 10th planet jiu jitsu is a nut.
Why no surveillance footage?
What about the CNN reporter chick who said on camera that she interviewed the school nurse, and the nurse said what an amazing teacher Mrs. Lanza was yet Mrs. Lanza never worked at the school. What about that?
Are you guys asking why there has been no surveillance video realised to the public or are you saying that despite the presence of a CCTV system at the school, the public is being told there is no video? I wouldn't release any video if it was my call.
on the nurse,
"In the clip, McCarren reports that Cox said she knew the shooter's mother to be a "very caring, experienced kindergarten teacher." She also says Cox called her "just the kind of person you would want with your 5-year-old children.”
Some truthers assert that Cox must have gotten her “script” wrong, because why else would she think Nancy Lanza was a teacher at the school when that’s been reported to be false?
However, law enforcement officials did initially state that the shooter was the son of a kindergarten teacher, and their statement was widely reported by the media. Soon thereafter it was discovered to be untrue, at which time many media outlets issued corrections to their previous reports.
A source with knowledge of Cox's interview told HuffPost that Cox mentioned no names during the interview, and that questions posed to the nurse did not use the name of Adam Lanza (or even Ryan Lanza, who was initially named as the shooter). In fact, reporters didn't use any names at all, the source said, only generic terms like "the suspect" or "the shooter."
Therefore, Cox may have heard those same initial, erroneous reports that the shooter was the son of a Sandy Hook kindergarten teacher and may have assumed them to be true at the time."
Aaron, it's this simple...
Where is the video? Where is one single photo of the event? It clearly exists, and the American people have the right to view it. We have video from Columbine. We have video from Virginia Tech. We have video from Brazil.
Why the double standard? You probably believe the Osama bin Laden story too.
You think that I am stupid and insulting because I've actually taken the time and effort to research this tragedy and find out why it happened? Your response was to believe what you were told and disregard all of the lies being shoved down our throats. Your posting of a couple of misleading, second-hand "debunking" articles is evidence of this. YOU are the embarrassment to our community.
And your response to Eddie's question about the nurse is ridiculous.
This is the quote you cited:
"In the clip, McCarren reports that Cox said she knew the shooter's mother to be a "very caring, experienced kindergarten teacher." She also says Cox called her "just the kind of person you would want with your 5-year-old children.”
This is your reasoning:
"In fact, reporters didn't use any names at all, the source said, only generic terms like 'the suspect' or 'the shooter'.
Therefore, Cox may have heard those same initial, erroneous reports that the shooter was the son of a Sandy Hook kindergarten teacher and may have assumed them to be true at the time."
So, you're saying that the nurse made a blanket statement about the shooter's mother, professing to have personal knowledge about her specifically, based solely on the fact that people were calling her a kindergarten teacher?
Therefore, you think she meant "Whoever the shooter's mother was, she was a very caring, experienced kindergarten teacher, just the kind of person you would want with your 5-year-old children." -- And that's perfectly normal?
Fact -- SHE WAS LYING
Question -- WHY?
I really wish you would respond to all of my points. It would be hilarious.
yeah your right, its more lily that the government lead by a multigenerational, secret, elite social order orchestrated the entire thing than a old school nurse thought she was talking about someone else.
Its amazing to me that videos were released from any of these school shootings. Seems like it would only serve to inspire future wackos.
I posted the debunking articles as a response because that about all the time I can devote to this embarrassing nonsense and because "your points" where simply a post of another article as well.
I dont have any illusions of actually debating you since you obviously lack a grasp of logic. Its enough for me to know that when people stumble across this thread they will at least be able to say to themselves, not all the 10th planet people are paranoid delusionals.
P.S.
You are they guy who said parents should be able to kill their children on another thread, right?
http://www.10thplanetjj.com/threads/...t=nathan+kelso
http://www.10thplanetjj.com/threads/...t=nathan+kelso
Yes, I wouldn't expect you to try and refute the irrefutable. I'm sorry for being abrasive.
I tend to get in a "Either put these sunglasses on, or start eating that trash can." mode because these topics are so incredibly important to the future of mankind. It's a character flaw, I guess. Everyone has to find out in their own way. The programming is difficult to break.
So believe what you like. Just ask yourself... Is a world controlled by corrupt secret societies truly impossible? Why do our country's most powerful leaders and businessmen meet in the Bohemian Grove every year to burn a mock human sacrifice under a 40-foot stone owl god (Minerva)? Who designed the Georgia Guidestones? Why are so many of the world's most important buildings designed using the same masonic and pagan symbolism (U.S. Capitol, The Vatican, the Israel Supreme Court, the IRS Headquarters, the European Union Parliament)? Why did the Bavarian Illuminati, which has the usurpation of all world governments and religions as part of its manifesto, foment the French Revolution? Why do all types of media (movies, music, music videos, television) contain the same types of occult symbolism? Why do all mainstream media companies (TV channels, movie studios, radio stations, newspapers) fall under the control of only five corporations? Why did American corporations support both sides during WWII? Why were Nazi scientists smuggled to America during Project Paperclip to work on human mind control projects like MK Ultra?
How many people on this Earth have ever said to themselves "If only I ruled the world, everything would be so much better"?
Now realize that there are people on this Earth with the money, power, and influence to pull it off. Also note that the masses have been indoctrinated in such a way to never believe it.
Watching a few of these videos should be enough to convince any free-thinking, rational human being that something sinister is afoot:
https://www.youtube.com/results?sear...d+order+quotes
Super-villains exist, and they are numerous. They aren't only a product of movies and comic books. Superheroes, however, are very hard to find.
Just think for yourself once in a while. Don't be afraid to have been wrong.
If you can become convinced of one massive conspiracy, the rest will fall into place for you. Watch this series and you might begin to understand:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h5FrGFFvUC8
If there was a conspiracy, wouldn't it just be easier to brainwash the kid and march him into the school, alone to kill. As if the NWO needs to almost get caught every time they conspire. Are they amateurs? They just can't beat the youtube activist cult of truth? The film seemed like BS to me. I'm not even sure what their argument is.
Despite the "truth": I think some people are always looking for a conspiracy because they have a hard time with reality. I've never met a "truther" whose convinced me they're honest, smart, or even serious. To me it's dark entertainment obsessed with fear, and this has nothing to do with the "truth" of it.
I really think you have two kinds of conspiracy theorist. One type is your fairly common individual, they seek to be open minded and are aware that many aspects of our reality are in fact stranger than fiction and that the US government and probably every government that has ever existed does/has done things that they shouldn't. Not just governments but the wealthy elite as well. (under a capitalist systems there is little functional difference between the two.)
For example, the Iran–Contra affair, thank you Garry Web, RIP. We know that a group of the social elite including some politicians have exclusive social gatherings at which they likely discuss being and staying powerful, like Nathan mentioned the bohemian groove.
Nearly all of us accept that corruption and lust for power is a legitimate factor in society especially in strongly capitalist nations like the US, and that like most of us the wealthy elite seek to keep or build upon the economic and social positions they have gained.
A separation occurs at some point along the spectrum of "conspiracy theorist". This separation has something to do with making distinctions between possibilities and probabilities as well as discerning circumstantial evidence or, more commonly, coincidence with physical evidence.
These types fail to see that our reality is filled to the brim with correlation and coincidence. The Maharaj Sri Nisargadatta said when discussing causality, "everything in the universe is as it is because everything else in the universe it as it is" loosely quoted. The context of this quote was metaphysical/philosophical, however, it brings attention to a peculiar aspect of the reality we find ourselves in. The universe is full of coincidence and in a manner of thinking, infinite correlations.
A simple example of this phenomenon is the Six degrees of separation concept. (Misnamed as a theory, yet not a scientific theory)The most common example is the kevin bacon game. Truth is that you can play this game with almost anything. For example there likely exist tens of thousands of independent facts/phenomenon around the world that one could suspicious link to The Sandy Hook School Shooting. (batman map)
Meanwhile we as humans have not only the ability to reason and employ systems of logic but arguably a need to do so. Now our innate methods of employing logic are perhaps rudimentary compared to formal logic systems but they are none the less a powerful part of the human mind. I would argue that the human need to apply reason and logic to our realty and the correlated yet coincidental nature of realty often leads to invalid conclusions such as in the cases of many conspiracy theories.
Simply compiling list of a few of these coincides and making what appear to be correlations between the coincidences is more than enough to convince many people of something. That may explain why conspiracy theorists favorite game is seeding doubt by sighting circumstance and playing the “isn’t it possible?” tactic. Just to be clear anything is possible, what is much more germane to those of us rooted in reality is what is probable.
Let face it, talking conspiracy theories can be fun and that's the causation and genesis for most of the more outrageous conspiracy theories out there.
I have more thoughts on this but I have MMA training in a few hours.
thou doth protest too much