Heads up for Central Michigan MMA

Just wanted to let the 10th planet family we've recently been contacted by a man named Dave Knaggs about pursuing a Hotbox or Affiliation (After clearly stating he has no clue what that is) which i pointed him in the direction of Zog. But what makes this story so appealing to me is the fact that same crew has threatened the family of one of my fighters by use of firearms and everything else under the moon (gang related). It's truly sad, even going as far as to personally phone my fighters mom with death threats and all other sorts of garbage.

Obviously I wouldn't imagine these are the kinds of people we would be looking to have represent the 10th planet Community but then again it ultimately isn't my call. Just wanted to make everyone aware. I personally have received death threats towards me and my pregnant fiance as well lol. Obviously childish, but given they have a track record of attempted murder, and been involved in prior shootings it isn't something we've blown off completely.

Hopefully this doesn't workout, they truly are a scab on Michigan MMA. For those of us trying to build something reputable I'd have to say this would be a HUGE step backwords for the Martial Arts scene in our area.

Thank you for taking the time to read this, typically I don't like to bring negativity to the forums. But I felt it is something that should be shared.

Threats against your prego fiance? And a history of violence? You should get this documented and go to the cops man.

I know "Flint" MI & "Detroit" are pretty gangster, but I don't know about the rest of MI. sounds like "Barn yard bangin" lol but real gangsters don't make threats. But damn, bjj schools don't make a lot of money so to feal the need to threaten people over a bjj school is crazy. " I mean really fucking crazy it's just jiujitsu damn " document all the threats and stay strapped dog.

D town is a ghost town. All the crazy ones left and came to Chicago or Gary, IN. That's weak shit though. I would document everything and get that shit taken care of. Seems like posturing but like you said you shouldn't dismiss it completely. There was a guy around Chicago like that as well a while back but now no one cares or even really talks about that school. They will implode, the egos there will be their demise.

Seems like they must have eyes in the forum because not man Jiu jitsu guys outside of the system even know what a hotbox is. Assume they're reading any and all posts.

He had no clue what a HotBox is, and the threats literally began with disagreeing over UFC FIGHTS!! lol Kid you not, real class act.
I've saved everything, and it seems as though I'm not the focus of their attacks anymore. More bashing our program, and verbally stating the "Street Team' they represent with no coaching is a notch above us. (Which is a completely rediculous statement)

Instead they now bash the family of fighters who actually train and work hard for the involvement in an actual program instead of the "group" they represent.

They're from Saginaw/Bay City area - And Saginaw is more or less the worst city in the entire state to be honest.

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Originally Posted by Brett Sbardella

They're from Saginaw/Bay City area - And Saginaw is more or less the worst city in the entire state to be honest.

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Truth. Top four AT LEAST.

Just do the rest of your family a favor, hoss, and watch your back. We all love ya and want you to stick around a while.

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Originally Posted by Nathan Simcox

Truth. Top four AT LEAST.

Just do the rest of your family a favor, hoss, and watch your back. We all love ya and want you to stick around a while.

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Thank you sir, the local chief of police is a supporter of our program actually. Made him aware of what's going on personally instead of calling the department. I think it'll all blow over eventually. -

I hope it blows over and was a simple misunderstanding on their part. "Coercion" and threats, and premeditated attacks are totally illegal.

Hoping so. We're not the first, nor the only team these guys have given trouble too. Quincy Rice out of Jackson (Trainer and MMA Promoter) has banned them from events due to the poor sportsmanship and constant web attacks.

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Originally Posted by Brett Sbardella

They're from Saginaw/Bay City area - And Saginaw is more or less the worst city in the entire state to be honest.

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Saginaw is straight hood...I got out of there ASAP! Who do these guys train with? I know a lot of local Saginaw/Bay City dudes

Shitty Saginaw rap, but in the back you can see how ghetto it is.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LP1PGoZo7kw

The Dave Knaggs guy claims to be the trainer, while the "VP" (whatever that means) is who's doing the majority of the threats.
Dave uses the "I used to train with Eddie back in the day..." story to attract people, i guess knowing what mission control is makes you "10th Planet Credible" in Sag-nasty. :/

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Originally Posted by Brett Sbardella

The Dave Knaggs guy claims to be the trainer, while the "VP" (whatever that means) is who's doing the majority of the threats.
Dave uses the "I used to train with Eddie back in the day..." story to attract people, i guess knowing what mission control is makes you "10th Planet Credible" in Sag-nasty. :/

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Do these guys have a school or do they name their garage? Do they have a team name? I'm wondering because like I said I know a few guys back home.

Believe they go by FSF 'Fighters supporting Fighters' but no actual school as far as i know.

10:59pm
Obviously it's a bunch of kids talking shit on FB. If that's the "martial arts team' you represent then I have no interest in EVER getting along. The 10th planet family has been made aware of all of this to the fullest. Good luck with your future endeavours. - Me


- Dave Knaggs

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FUCK YOUim sure when i have the money Eddie wont turn me away because of you FAG

Honestly, I think you should take the high road and not even acknowledge them beyond what you already have, unless it's to deescalate a situation or for someones safety.

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Originally Posted by Cody Kietzman

Honestly, I think you should take the high road and not even acknowledge them beyond what you already have, unless it's to deescalate a situation or for someones safety.

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Blocked each and everyone of them. Honestly a waste of time lol.

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Originally Posted by Brett Sbardella

Blocked each and everyone of them. Honestly a waste of time lol.

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Yeah...it's sad some of the people Saginaw produces.

fuck datch guy, datch bad guy, but foreal, if he thinks eddie is gonna let him associate him self with the the system after threatining one of our valued members hes mistaken

Michigan allows for open or concealed carry.