Was there anything in these transitions that could've been tweaked or altered that would have produced the tap?
http://i111.photobucket.com/albums/n...psef071f81.mp4
http://i111.photobucket.com/albums/n...psf261206a.mp4
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Was there anything in these transitions that could've been tweaked or altered that would have produced the tap?
http://i111.photobucket.com/albums/n...psef071f81.mp4
http://i111.photobucket.com/albums/n...psf261206a.mp4
was it lack of controling the leg in both the drowning jui & the same in spider web.?
Spiderweb
Its different in both but same principle. Too big of a move without a controlled transition onto a controlled position. Spiderweb should be the goal of both.
Controlling the far shoulder in the back widow (before you clear the head) Is crucial. As soon as you pass the head. Switch deep hooks and control the leg.
In the second, during the swim instead of the 2 on 1, he should grab a deephook, then grab a leg, then swim.
No control on the legs. If he would have slowed down after the swim move and controlled the position before he went for the arm he would have finished.
vid - 1 deep hook, swim move
vid - 2 spider web
Without looking at the comments:
1st video: All legs. In other words, he didn't stuff the head well enough before throwing his legs up. Also, he didn't use his legs to trap the far shoulder like spiderweb. That gives opponents way too much wiggle room. And he didn't keep one leg around the face.
2nd video: Not locking the far shoulder. Losing the leg in front of the face. Letting that far shoulder roam free seems to be the common factor. Also no leg curls around the head. And pretty bad position before submission altogether.
Hmmm
Now I am curious. What's the "Hmmm" for? (o_0)Quote:
Originally Posted by Eddie Bravo
In the first one his shin should have been on the back of the neck for the swim move. In the second on the guy escaped because leg control (spiderweb) wasn't there. The 1st one and the 2nd one the leg curls/squeeze were either weak or non existent. Thee deep hooks sucked on both, in the 2nd video he was going for a wrist control armbar....
IMO leg squeeze
Just noticing that leg control/manipulation before reaching the spiderweb will combat multiple types of escapes rather than just stopping them from getting to their knees
#1 both fighters should've controlled the legs right from the swim to the tap from arm crush/arm bar
#2 feet weren't crossed in the correct spot
#3 leg curls were too loose
Perfect spider web to arm crush/arm bar should be in all yalls DNA :)
I dont know If I would have been near swim move on the first vid. I would have taken 2 on 1 and tried to pin his far shoulder. Back widow. Stay tight.
Sorry. Posted at the same time.
Idk if its the rush of the 5 minute round or the sloppiness of modern day MMA grappling (generalization i realize that there are good MMA grapplers) but I don't see guys often take there time and really control positions like that any more. They come close and just try to rush the submission rather than follow the old adage of position before submission.
To me on the first one didn't even really look he wanted it. Looked exhausted and looked to just be throwing it half up there on the buzzer to maybe score a 'submission' attempt in an uneducated judges mind. He was only like 35% close to finishing that arm bar and didnt even really try to sink it, 't my humble opinion.
I guess everyone have the same idea in regards to what went wrong. And like Master Eddie said, spider web, spider web, and more spider web. From personal experience, I've been teaching Cora the spider web for about 3 weeks now and have seen her tap out rate went off the roof. Before when she get an armbar, she struggles to finish them as the kids are very flexible and are able to roll out of it. But after drilling the spider web, its almost a sure tap out no matter how flexible they are. And also a lot of kids kick her head when they panic in her armbar, but now since she do the spider web, she is controlling their legs and thus they can't kick her head. So for the past 3 weeks every armbar needs to come from a spider web.
its the same concept missing in the guard for most of these guys. staying tight and moving from clinch to clinch is huge for the nogi game. its just like when i see people swinging wild arm bars in mma and the guy pulls out and gets the pass. locking the shoulder first is huge and answers the same problem.
clinch.
clinch.
clinch
:)
I got it! They escaped! But really, no deep hook off the swim move and if he would have trapped that leg in Spider Web he would have probably got the Armbar.
I think you're onto it. Those 5 minute rounds, in combination with the inevitable stand up, make working on the ground incredibly difficult.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cody Kietzman
Also, I think we don't have too many specialists anymore, especially in terms of submissions.
It looked like conditioning played a big role in the missed armbar in the first GIF, also.
I don't want to hijack this thread but i would like to see the fifth and final round of champ matches go until there is a stoppage! Im just throwing it out there!Quote:
Originally Posted by Brandon Mccaghren
Brandon,
Conditioning? Huh?
He was exhausted. It made him even sloppier than he normally would be, I think.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eddie Bravo
Remember Anderson Silva vs Travis Lutter? Lutter gets to the mount and makes the ugliest armbar attempt in MMA history. He was completely drained from the failed weight cut, and that was his last gasp.
This GIF reminds me of that moment.
I can for sure see the exhaustion, I think that was an issue. I think that the exhaustion played to the fact that he (may have) wanted to go belly down on the arm bar for the finish but couldn't transition to a roll (spider web type roll) for a regular arm bar. Instead he left his legs crossed and left the pass wide open. I think if he wanted to sell out he should have sold out on the belly down cause he was tired. Or he (IMO) should have only went with the roll (to spider web for 10p players) from the beg. It was a great attempt that fizzled from the lack of steam to finish it and a lack of commitment to the path chosen to finish. I have great respect for the fighters. and is a good example of why I think people need to really sell out better. That to me was half sell out because MMA fighters know what the consequence is of loosing all your energy and being on bottom, but its a gamble that either leaves a person with a big win or big loss. Instead of a good win or somewhat loss.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brandon Mccaghren
I love catching a breather in Spider web. Maybe these dudes got too excited they had a chance to steal an arm then fucked it all up because they thought it would be over.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eddie Bravo
they weren't put on by ronda
I think they are all training gi Jiu Jitsu where their offence doesnt have to be as tight because dudes cant slip out:)
If you are sloppy because you are tired IMO you train wrong! When you are exhausted or hurt you do what you tain the most. So always train perfect forms.
And to open that up i still want to say that my go to is the spider web. At every position. Always deep hook and tight leg control. 70/30 arm crush and douchebag.
trying to watch those photobucket videos ends up a choppy mess for me.