as the title says. does anyone do this? does it work?
as the title says. does anyone do this? does it work?
I think it opens you to get slammed from the guard if you already have the neck I dont see why you couldnt finish from full guard.
but in a jits tournament? where you cant slam? im just thinking because of the whole doing it from the back and constricting their breathing a bit more. and it also makes it harder to pass. sometimes you dont always have the neck as muc as you want.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kyle Spalla
I feel like I have better control from full guard. If you have a good squeeze with your arms and legs I don't see why it wouldn't work for either method. I just feel using the body triangle in guard is adding a step.
My opinion, If you own the neck it isn't necessary. If you only partially have the neck the ability to stay mobile and change angles will help more than the squeeze of a body triangle.
It sounds like you think the point of the legs is to squeeze your opponent and push him away from you. Not true. If anything, you would use your closed guard to pull your opponent forward so you could adjust his head to where you wanted it on the side of your ribs. After that, you can use the legs to pull yourself up an inch to provide an extra bit of twist when you corkscrew the guillotine to the side.
So no, no body triangle.
way too much work in my opinion. no arm marcelo style guillotine from butterflies or foot up back and one across stomach or on hip works best keeps their hips away and head sunk deeper in the choke
agree with kevin!Quote:
Originally Posted by Kevin Gibbs
thanks guys, i dont do this, it just popped in my head and i couldnt think of a reason why not. now i can :D
As scott pointed out the finish for the guillotine isnt based on the squeeze of your guard and it may be hard to lock the neck if you already have the body triangle.... But I think if you wrapped the neck right and were still squeezing his neck the right way that it wouldnt hurt. A crushing pain around his midsection will make him think twice about trying to struggle out for the last few seconds before you get the tap/he goes out.
It ist necessary to get the tap and if you got short legs or else your opponent is wide... It would be hard to lock it.
I see a lot of MMA fighters use the body triangle from guard but I am yet to see anything truly effective get done from there.
I think it's a horrible idea. It won't help the precision of your finishing technique, and it completely takes away your ability to control the distance. If you go with another form of lower body control, like your shin across their waist and other leg over their back, then you can do things like base out to the front headlock if the choke doesn't work. Or follow them to the mount if they try to roll out. The most "leg wrapping" style guillotine that you really see anymore is the straight up closed guard during an arm-in guillotine.
The only effective finish from the body triangle from guard is the kimura. Imo.
See Javare vs Matcelo.