Mount with feet on hips: Monkey Mount? Something else?

Hey folks,

So I've been playing with the technique that I saw Eddie Bravo using in Studying Tape 4 at about 12-13 minutes. He establishes mount and uses his feet on the hips to acquire a high mount. He rigorously defends his underhook, as Eddie narrates his thinking on the subject. During the narration he refers to this as monkey mount.

But MTS 79 seems to designate a gogo-clinch style mount as the Monkey Mount.

So what is it called when you're using your feet on the hips like we see in Studying Tape 4? I really like the position so far, my opponents get pretty frustrated with it and one of my professors seemed pleased with the idea (and offered a tip for how I can capitalize on the position).

Thoughts?

Is/are there MTS episode/s where monkey mount techniques and details are covered?

Monkey mount is old school. Way back to Jiu Jitsu Unleashed. I don't recall the MTS where mounted gogo clinch is called monkey mount though. Bodycomb calls it Vegan Mount

I've heard both the "feet on his hips" position (that I think your talking about) and the "both your butterfly's still in" position that I think Brent is talking about called the monkey mount. The "mono-mount" is the "go-go clinch style mount" that you are talking about. Mono-mount is not monkey mount, no. For sure.

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Originally Posted by Brent Smith

Monkey mount is old school. Way back to Jiu Jitsu Unleashed. I don't recall the MTS where mounted gogo clinch is called monkey mount though. Bodycomb calls it Vegan Mount

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Originally Posted by Brian Debes

I've heard both the "feet on his hips" position (that I think your talking about) and the "both your butterfly's still in" position that I think Brent is talking about called the monkey mount. The "mono-mount" is the "go-go clinch style mount" that you are talking about. Mono-mount is not monkey mount, no. For sure.

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Thanks Brent and Brian, that's helpful.

Our Technique List page and the instruction contained therein (MTS 79) definitely contain that mono-mount being called Monkey Mount.

Can someone suggest some techniques that are useful from monkey mount? The confusion has made this difficult to study.

Tracking the confusion like a good white belt secretary:

Magnus Magnusson

10th planet Jiu Jitsu in a Gi! Planet X Jiu Jitsu-None flexible version of the Monkey Mount
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1KEh-h0fvxQ

10th planet Jiu Jitsu in a Gi! Planet X Jiu Jitsu- Monkey Mount set ups and attacks
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J_Ok_jvctJ8

10th Planet Official Techniques List (and teaching)
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...cpZQ/pub?gid=0


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Originally Posted by Joshua Jarboe

Tracking the confusion like a good white belt secretary:

Magnus Magnusson

10th planet Jiu Jitsu in a Gi! Planet X Jiu Jitsu-None flexible version of the Monkey Mount
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1KEh-h0fvxQ

10th planet Jiu Jitsu in a Gi! Planet X Jiu Jitsu- Monkey Mount set ups and attacks
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J_Ok_jvctJ8

10th Planet Official Techniques List (and teaching)
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...cpZQ/pub?gid=0


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413 Monkey Mount MTS79 1:15:02

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I just now clicked you your first link. I believe he says "monkey mount" at first to denote that was his starting position (both feet on the hips) and was not talking about stepping his leg up and such being called the monkey mount. I will try to check this again after class, I've got to go now :)

Monkey mount is feet on hips mount but you can refer to the entire flexible mount style I play as monkey mount or even rubber mount.

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Originally Posted by Brian Debes

I've heard both the "feet on his hips" position (that I think your talking about) and the "both your butterfly's still in" position that I think Brent is talking about called the monkey mount. The "mono-mount" is the "go-go clinch style mount" that you are talking about. Mono-mount is not monkey mount, no. For sure.

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Ah you're right

This thread comes at a perfect time. I just started toying around with vegan mount after watching bodycomb's instructional. It really helps with not letting your opponent re guard, but what are some other pros and cons to vegan mount/monkey mount? (I know they're slightly different)

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Originally Posted by ml82

This thread comes at a perfect time. I just started toying around with vegan mount after watching bodycomb's instructional. It really helps with not letting your opponent re guard, but what are some other pros and cons to vegan mount/monkey mount? (I know they're slightly different)

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Probably silly of me to weigh in at all, but my professor gave me some feedback on what he liked, so I'll venture to try to remember some of it.

* You can put quite a bit of pressure, so they feel they have to move.
* But it's difficult for them to move. They can't easily bump you: you're sensing and checking their hips. They can't easily reclaim half guard.
* The combination between feeling pressured, squeezed, claustrophic and beaten and the inability to alleviate it should cook your opponent. (I know it does me)
* The thing they have remaining to get into the game is their arm. They can reach down to try to get their arm under one of your legs. But this seems predictable and seems to invite a mounted triangle. (Maybe someone smarter than me can validate or falsify my theory that reaching your arm down like that could subject it to arm attacks, isolates their other arm and leaves their neck open to chokes).
Jiu Jitsu Unleashed shows an armbar from this position that looks devastating and potentially hard to stop. I want to try it. :D

Ok, someone smart should talk now. :)

But hey, do you have a link?

Thanks for the response. For vegan mount, I don't think you're adding more pressure than regular mount because your hips aren't smashing down on the opponent's.

I think bodycomb uses it because he said it's easier to knee ride someone and to protect your legs from the opponent re guarding, I *think* that's what he said. I don't have a link but I can try to upload that bit tonight when I get home.

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Originally Posted by ml82

Thanks for the response. For vegan mount, I don't think you're adding more pressure than regular mount because your hips aren't smashing down on the opponent's.

I think bodycomb uses it because he said it's easier to knee ride someone and to protect your legs from the opponent re guarding, I *think* that's what he said. I don't have a link but I can try to upload that bit tonight when I get home.

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Understood.

But do you have a link to the bodycomb thing?