My First JJ thread.

Now that I am two weeks into my training to be the UFC heavy weight champ, I have realized a few things, and have a serious question. I use to lift weights about five days a week and that was all I did for exercise. I have been going to jj 3 times a week for the last two weeks and have been lifting weights 3 times a week. I can feel my body breaking down in a bad way. My question is, should I be lifting weights? Is it advantageous for jj or should I just focus on rolling and increasing my cardio?

Lots of people will have different views on this but in my opinion I would just do Jiu-jitsu for now and let your body adapt to it first before you try to condition it specifically for rolling. I think if you try and do both so early you will do more harm then good. One your muscles have got strong and used to it then look into how to do specific strength and conditioning.

Rolling and cardio, if you've lifted for any amount of time you should have plenty of strength. The stronger you get right now the harder you're gonna be making it for yourself to learn Jiu-Jitsu. If you can get out of a given position by using strength then you always have that as an option , but the little guys who show up to class and can't muscle anybody have no choice but to learn to do the techniques correctly. I used to lift alot but after training full time for two years or so I decided to stop almost altogether and my game kinda took off. ( I say almost because I still do body weight stuff like handstand pushups and what not.)

I think a person has to have to be great at providing the body nutrition, rest, and the correct training times before they can tweak how much is too much training. Without any the before mentioned, one day week can be too much.

And stretch. Also have you really been on here since last year with almost 1000 posts and you never trained until now?
Crazyness....good luck man, enjoy the journey.

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Originally Posted by Ehsan_Karam

And stretch. Also have you really been on here since last year with almost 1000 posts and you never trained until now?
Crazyness....good luck man, enjoy the journey.

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yep, and thanks for the advice. I think I am relying on my strength way too much right now. I don't have a clue what is going on when I am rolling with someone, but I manage to not get murdered "to badly" by just exploding out when I feel like I am about to get in a bad position, which is probably also one of the reasons I gas so quickly. Not to mention I haven't done cardio in about 6 years.

Remember you are using completely different muscles to your weightlifting ones. You are basically killing your muscles with the weights 3 days a week, and then killing off all the other ones the other 3 days. I'd reduce the weights to be honest, or see if you can follow a better routine.

Exploding out like you said is the complete wrong way to do it. You gotta get caught in stuff to understand how it works. Learning how to get out of Triangles, Armbars, Rear Naked Chokes, Leg Locks, Guillotines. This is the most important stuff. Exploding out will not help you in the long run at all, as you won't learn any defenses to it. Gotta pay your dues and get choked!

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Originally Posted by Jay JC Chow

Remember you are using completely different muscles to your weightlifting ones. You are basically killing your muscles with the weights 3 days a week, and then killing off all the other ones the other 3 days. I'd reduce the weights to be honest, or see if you can follow a better routine.

Exploding out like you said is the complete wrong way to do it. You gotta get caught in stuff to understand how it works. Learning how to get out of Triangles, Armbars, Rear Naked Chokes, Leg Locks, Guillotines. This is the most important stuff. Exploding out will not help you in the long run at all, as you won't learn any defenses to it. Gotta pay your dues and get choked!

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I have been feeling like what you said was the way to go, but how do you learn a defense for any of the submissions you listed by having it done to you?

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Originally Posted by Taylor Culbertson

I have been feeling like what you said was the way to go, but how do you learn a defense for any of the submissions you listed by having it done to you?

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by understanding what you can and cannot tolerate. some people are incredibly choke resistant. (maybe cause they introduced themselves to strangle-bation at a young age) others never tap to calf cranks. its totally personal. once you realize what is happening to you, you will learn to stay calm, relax and defend properly.

here is a trick ive used for my new students-
write, and i mean WRITE down every move that you did in your free roll session...immediately after you stop.
it will focus your mind to think about what you are doing, and one of two things will happen.
1-your mind will speed up to your body (<5% of people)
2- your body will slow down to your mind (+95%)
it will help you think clearly and with a purpose. seems to be a HUGE help to my students.

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Originally Posted by Kendell Madden

by understanding what you can and cannot tolerate. some people are incredibly choke resistant. (maybe cause they introduced themselves to strangle-bation at a young age) others never tap to calf cranks. its totally personal. once you realize what is happening to you, you will learn to stay calm, relax and defend properly.

here is a trick ive used for my new students-
write, and i mean WRITE down every move that you did in your free roll session...immediately after you stop.
it will focus your mind to think about what you are doing, and one of two things will happen.
1-your mind will speed up to your body (<5% of people)
2- your body will slow down to your mind (+95%)
it will help you think clearly and with a purpose. seems to be a HUGE help to my students.

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Dude? Homework?

no no...well yes...
but i mean, immediately after. like the moment you get submitted, while you are catching your breath, grab a small notebook and start writing.

should look something like this:
pulled into his guard, marcello pass, twister side, tip-toe mount, skydive...etc...
just list it thing by thing. even if you dont know all the names yet.
ie- guard pass, side guard looking at knees, leg over mount, locking legs in mount...etc

pretty basic, but i make sure when they write it, that I can read it. otherwise they cheat. haha

and homework...yes.
there is always homework for those who want to get more out of it.
if its just for shits and giggles...dont listen. but then ill be having them doing shrimping drills all day.
learn what you are weak at, and try and find something online (youtube or here generally...) that will help them next time.

for example, i have this kid who is DYNAMITE on his feet, but gasses in 30 secs on the mats. he cant control his breathing.
so...i have him look up yoga breathing techniques. (WAITING for Rebel Yoga!!!! :D )

every time he comes, hes better...and i can always tell WHO does their homework.

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Originally Posted by Kendell Madden

no no...well yes...
but i mean, immediately after. like the moment you get submitted, while you are catching your breath, grab a small notebook and start writing.

should look something like this:
pulled into his guard, marcello pass, twister side, tip-toe mount, skydive...etc...
just list it thing by thing. even if you dont know all the names yet.
ie- guard pass, side guard looking at knees, leg over mount, locking legs in mount...etc

pretty basic, but i make sure when they write it, that I can read it. otherwise they cheat. haha

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Dude, if I wrote it down it would look like this.

Started standing, he tried to grab my balls, I questioned his sexual orientation. I got mildly aroused. I jumped on him, he grabbed my leg, his hands felt strong like an animal, my body said yes but my mind said no, so I jumped away as his hands ran down my leg. Looking at him on his back sweating and making brief eye contact which seemed to last years, I threw myself at him like a mindless doe to a hungry bear. The next few moments were a blur as our bodies intertwined in a homo-erotic dance in the night. As the timer buzzed we shook hands with a mutual understanding that what had just happened would not leave the gym.

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Originally Posted by Taylor Culbertson

Dude, if I wrote it down it would look like this.

Started standing, he tried to grab my balls, I questioned his sexual orientation. I got mildly aroused. I jumped on him, he grabbed my leg, his hands felt strong like an animal, my body said yes but my mind said no, so I jumped away as his hands ran down my leg. Looking at him on his back sweating and making brief eye contact which seemed to last years, I threw myself at him like a mindless doe to a hungry bear. The next few moments were a blur as our bodies intertwined in a homo-erotic dance in the night. As the timer buzzed we shook hands with a mutual understanding that what had just happened would not leave the gym.

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lol...

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Originally Posted by Taylor Culbertson

Dude, if I wrote it down it would look like this.

Started standing, he tried to grab my balls, I questioned his sexual orientation. I got mildly aroused. I jumped on him, he grabbed my leg, his hands felt strong like an animal, my body said yes but my mind said no, so I jumped away as his hands ran down my leg. Looking at him on his back sweating and making brief eye contact which seemed to last years, I threw myself at him like a mindless doe to a hungry bear. The next few moments were a blur as our bodies intertwined in a homo-erotic dance in the night. As the timer buzzed we shook hands with a mutual understanding that what had just happened would not leave the gym.

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disturbing...haha
but try it. i bet it helps.

Certain aspects of all sports require more flexibility and technique than muscle.
When I played baseball going into high school, we had several pitchers who
were very good. Some of them worked their pitching going into their growth spurt,
some of them worked their strength. Within the next few years, after we all
conquered puberty, the ones who mostly lifted could no longer pitch. They got
too bulky to sling the ball the way they used to. You could see their technique
slowly drain as their shoulders and chest got bigger. They had to short arm everything
after that.

For strictly JJ, I think a gymnast'esque work out is the best. Small, tight muscles
that don't prevent you from having the flexibility you want. Working out without
weights, and focusing on using your body as resistance will help tighten up your
muscles. If you truly are going into MMA with a goal of being in something as big
as the UFC, you're gonna want some of that mass.

You're already in the workout mindset, so I don't think taking a break from it will
cause you to lose your will if you need to get back into it to get bigger again.

And as said before, stretch, stretch, stretch....especially if you're going to keep
a large physique, stretch those fucking muscles out and keep your flexibility.

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Originally Posted by Taylor Culbertson

Dude, if I wrote it down it would look like this.

Started standing, he tried to grab my balls, I questioned his sexual orientation. I got mildly aroused. I jumped on him, he grabbed my leg, his hands felt strong like an animal, my body said yes but my mind said no, so I jumped away as his hands ran down my leg. Looking at him on his back sweating and making brief eye contact which seemed to last years, I threw myself at him like a mindless doe to a hungry bear. The next few moments were a blur as our bodies intertwined in a homo-erotic dance in the night. As the timer buzzed we shook hands with a mutual understanding that what had just happened would not leave the gym.

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hahaha

I switched all my "Weight lifting" to crossfit style workouts but still do my high intensity interval conditioning for fight/comp training. And like was stated before stretching.

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Originally Posted by Taylor Culbertson

Dude, if I wrote it down it would look like this.

Started standing, he tried to grab my balls, I questioned his sexual orientation. I got mildly aroused. I jumped on him, he grabbed my leg, his hands felt strong like an animal, my body said yes but my mind said no, so I jumped away as his hands ran down my leg. Looking at him on his back sweating and making brief eye contact which seemed to last years, I threw myself at him like a mindless doe to a hungry bear. The next few moments were a blur as our bodies intertwined in a homo-erotic dance in the night. As the timer buzzed we shook hands with a mutual understanding that what had just happened would not leave the gym.

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http://www.stevekwan.com/graphics/po.../jiu-jitsu.jpg

Its more like:

Tues, 14 Jun '11: Today I got caught in 3 triangles from the same setup. I should check out with my coach some defenses to the exact setup this guy likes, maybe go on the 10th Planet site and see if anybody can help me. I will then drill this with a willing person, but not the guy who did it to me. I will then proceed to roll with this guy, and work my triangle defense.

If you successfully defend or escape his triangles, then you've been successful with your notes.

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Originally Posted by Taylor Culbertson

Dude, if I wrote it down it would look like this.

Started standing, he tried to grab my balls, I questioned his sexual orientation. I got mildly aroused. I jumped on him, he grabbed my leg, his hands felt strong like an animal, my body said yes but my mind said no, so I jumped away as his hands ran down my leg. Looking at him on his back sweating and making brief eye contact which seemed to last years, I threw myself at him like a mindless doe to a hungry bear. The next few moments were a blur as our bodies intertwined in a homo-erotic dance in the night. As the timer buzzed we shook hands with a mutual understanding that what had just happened would not leave the gym.

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lol that's the funniest post I've read in a while

I dont know if i agree when you say exploding is the wrong way to do it. I know that it is good to drill submissions escapes and learn how to escape with technique as well but if you can explode and be technical at the same time then explode can be very beneficial. Im not a believer in getting choked and learning that way. I rather learn technique on how to escape and then in free roll or competition i can explode at the same time being smart and using technique. I don't need to be put to sleep to know that i should tuck my chin or do a two on one on the choking arm. Can you gas by exploding? Definitely...but conserving energy and not getting careless with how your exploding out of something can be useful. Again it is just my opinion but i really do understand what you mean. Different perspective i guess.

One thing for sure is that i would not abandoned lifting. It all depends on how you are lifting and they types of workouts you are doing.

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Originally Posted by Taylor Culbertson

Dude, if I wrote it down it would look like this.

Started standing, he tried to grab my balls, I questioned his sexual orientation. I got mildly aroused. I jumped on him, he grabbed my leg, his hands felt strong like an animal, my body said yes but my mind said no, so I jumped away as his hands ran down my leg. Looking at him on his back sweating and making brief eye contact which seemed to last years, I threw myself at him like a mindless doe to a hungry bear. The next few moments were a blur as our bodies intertwined in a homo-erotic dance in the night. As the timer buzzed we shook hands with a mutual understanding that what had just happened would not leave the gym.

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hahahahahahahahahahahaha oh my god... jesus christ i can't stop laughing.

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Originally Posted by Taylor Culbertson

Dude, if I wrote it down it would look like this.

Started standing, he tried to grab my balls, I questioned his sexual orientation. I got mildly aroused. I jumped on him, he grabbed my leg, his hands felt strong like an animal, my body said yes but my mind said no, so I jumped away as his hands ran down my leg. Looking at him on his back sweating and making brief eye contact which seemed to last years, I threw myself at him like a mindless doe to a hungry bear. The next few moments were a blur as our bodies intertwined in a homo-erotic dance in the night. As the timer buzzed we shook hands with a mutual understanding that what had just happened would not leave the gym.

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you cheatin on me hooker?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OQjxr...eature=related


This is all the conditioning you'll need.

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Originally Posted by Chris Herzog

This is all the conditioning you'll need.

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Dude?

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Originally Posted by Taylor Culbertson

Dude?

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I know, it made me hard too.

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Originally Posted by AJ Camacho

I know, it made me hard too.

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I have $1000000000000000000 hypothetical bucks that says there is no way you could finish with that. I could explain how I know this but I don't feel like it unless you want me to.

When my wife got pregnant I was worried that the sight of her massive belly would disuade me from sex and drive me into a manic state of sexual frustration. In preparation I began entertaining my self with prego porn in an attempt to cultivate my sex drive into that direction.

Point being, my sex drive is malleable as hell.

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Originally Posted by AJ Camacho

When my wife got pregnant I was worried that the sight of her massive belly would disuade me from sex and drive me into a manic state of sexual frustration. In preparation I began entertaining my self with prego porn in an attempt to cultivate my sex drive into that direction.

Point being, my sex drive is malleable as hell.

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I was going to say there is something innate within every male that creates erectile dysfunction when the chick is not healthy/fertile, but you might have all ready killed my argument. Maybe you are just a sick fuck.

god, i hope not