defense to the omoplata- standing up

in most cases the second i get to jiu claw now I can finish it now with the rolling omoplata, perpendicular jiu claw, imanari.. ect. but theres two people at my gym that stand up once i get into jiu claw and I know you can drop down to the legs for leg locks, but i was wondering if there was a way to prevent that stand up?
i've watched eddie roll and seen where he does almost like a modified carni and then collapses them. Ive tried but there being to explosive and bringing both feet at the same time then lifting to where theres no chance to hook that leg, or there pushing heavy on that shin sheild when its under the neck while i have that modified carni so it forces me to go jiu claw where they just pick me up again! you cant go sorcerer because there foots on the mat with there knee up so thats not an option.
any of you higher level belts or any have a solution please help! thanks :)

Eddie goes over this in one of his MTS episodes. He purposely uses a much larger person to demo the move. I can't remember which one it was or what he called it, but the idea was changing the angle of the omo. because his partner was a bigger dude, he was able to hold eddie up while in omo.

Now i'm going to reactive ate my pro membership to find this episode and watch the MTS that i missed while i was in afghanistan.

If you watched conor heuns fight...that was almeidas defense as well. Its a legit defense to the omo. I usually invert and attack the legs....but its tough...

I forget what it's called but you essentially kick your outside leg away from your opponent while retaining wrist control. The momentum will jerk them back down where you can reassert your position.

Mts 11
Perpendicular Jiu Claw to Hazelett (20:12)

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Originally Posted by Chris Ludington

Mts 11
Perpendicular Jiu Claw to Hazelett (20:12)

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you cant get into perpendicular jiu claw because befor you can collapse him down he's already standing. im basically doing a jiu claw in the air while he holds me up

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Originally Posted by AJ Camacho

I forget what it's called but you essentially kick your outside leg away from your opponent while retaining wrist control. The momentum will jerk them back down where you can reassert your position.

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that is called ice picking and thats used when there postured up not standing. thankyou guys for the help though :)

Yeah, MTS Ep11 covers it.

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that is called ice picking and thats used when there postured up not standing. thankyou guys for the help though :)

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I thought the ice pick was when you crossed your ankles, extended your legs, and forced them back down? Either way, they have to posture before they stand. If a dude was fully standing up and I was just hanging their I would just grab their ankle and slide off their arm into a knee bar.

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Mts 11
Perpendicular Jiu Claw to Hazelett (20:12)

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allright i'll watch it real quick and see if thats what im thinking

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I thought the ice pick was when you crossed your ankles, extended your legs, and forced them back down? Either way, they have to posture before they stand. If a dude was fully standing up and I was just hanging their I would just grab their ankle and slide off their arm into a knee bar.

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your right that is ice picking, im sorry! but yea see im not in jiu claw when he stands im in like a kung fu move where i have a shin sheild and then he stands befor i can work any of those. see if im in there i know i have to drop for a leg, but i was wondering if there was a way to prevent his stand.

Blake, if you don't have a premium membership, it's definitely worth the money.

He postures. You are UP, you figure 4
http://img835.imageshack.us/img835/8844/92162154.jpg

You push the hips (and his arm)
http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/4739/88610200.jpg

Base out...
http://img831.imageshack.us/img831/3294/51656769.jpg

o chris i have it and thank you for posting those pictures! now maybe i can explain this clearer...
ok imagen your in chill dog and as you kung fu he grabs the foot under the chin with his left hand (like he would be defending a gogoplata) and post with his left foot and he stands up.. so to prevent him from limparming i turn toward his body like jiu claw, problem is im in the air because he has allready picked me up.

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o chris i have it and thank you for posting those pictures!

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Does this mean you have your answer?

EDIT: NM - you meant you have a premium membership.

I'm still thinking about your post.

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o chris i have it and thank you for posting those pictures! now maybe i can explain this clearer...
ok imagen your in chill dog and as you kung fu he grabs the foot under the chin with his left hand (like he would be defending a gogoplata) and post with his left foot and he stands up.. so to prevent him from limparming i turn toward his body like jiu claw, problem is im in the air because he has allready picked me up.

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What kind of grip do you have on his trapped arm? When people try to lift out of chill dog while I'm hugging my knee I can sometimes bring my right foot in front of their head, cross my ankles, and then hit an arm bar by driving my hips up, keeping their trapped arm stuck between my lat, my knee, and my hug.

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What kind of grip do you have on his trapped arm? When people try to lift out of chill dog while I'm hugging my knee I can sometimes bring my right foot in front of their head, cross my ankles, and then hit an arm bar by driving my hips up, keeping their trapped arm stuck between my lat, my knee, and my hug.

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thats brilliant!

When you are doing your kung fu move, are you really getting a good extension...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wUDqb...ailpage#t=196s

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What kind of grip do you have on his trapped arm? When people try to lift out of chill dog while I'm hugging my knee I can sometimes bring my right foot in front of their head, cross my ankles, and then hit an arm bar by driving my hips up, keeping their trapped arm stuck between my lat, my knee, and my hug.

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if he grabs your foot to defend gogo, keep hugging your knee and feed your other arm under the hand defending the gogo. essentially you are doing another zombie getting the gogo defending hand to the mat. hug your other knee and voila... sorcerer

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y7kYvHzNpLk

here ya go...

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you cant go sorcerer because there foots on the mat with there knee up so thats not an option.

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Wouldn't it be possible to underhook his knee and go for a flower sweep then? You all ready have that overhook by hugging your knee and he is giving his other knee to you that way.

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Wouldn't it be possible to underhook his knee and go for a flower sweep then? You all ready have that overhook by hugging your knee and he is giving his other knee to you that way.

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yes that would work! thankyou very much!