I know i'm not the only one who...(UFC 135 spoilers)

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09-24-2011, 09:57 PM
David Stager

I know i'm not the only one who...(UFC 135 spoilers)

Thinks Rampage did a good job against Jones up until the end. It was not a "flawless" victory as some have claimed. Rampage's head movement was awesome, and yes he got cracked by the infamous spinning back elbow, but he figured out the timing and caused Jones to whiff his next two. Definitely don't think Jones destroyed Rampage. Furthermore, I liked Mark Hunt's comeback victory over Louis CK...excuse me..Ben Rothwell was really exciting given how gassed the two were. I guess I'm just venting my frustration at how these fights will be remembered because the people with the biggest soapbox say so.
09-24-2011, 09:58 PM
The kza

disagree, he didnt hit JJ once in the face. Look at rampages face. He landed 2 kicks and 2-3 body shots.

jj whooped him
09-24-2011, 10:05 PM
HerbChao

I think someone behind me watching said it best "does that look like the face of someone who just fought Rampage?". Although after the PPV you can see Jones icing his elbow and foot, Rampage is seen walking back (with his cut bandaged up).

Not a bad night of PPV, nxt wk I'll take it as an easy one (looking forward to seeing pat Barry fight again, he's fun to watch). Not taking away from Cruz, I know he's a good fighter too...
09-24-2011, 10:10 PM
David Stager

He hit him in the face in the beginning when Jones was crawling on all fours like the guy in Bloodsport :). (I actually was glad to see him do that even if there was no damage). But even though he didn't come close to finishing Jones, he forced him to retreat a few times and looked good in the clinch. He got mounted easily, but got back to his feet quickly. I think this was way more competitive than Shogun's fight with JJ, which should be the standard by which we say Jon Jones "whooped" someone, in my opinion.
09-24-2011, 10:16 PM
Taylor Culbertson

The fight was fixed.
09-24-2011, 11:12 PM
bennett

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Originally Posted by Taylor Culbertson

The fight was fixed.

IMO UFC title fights/main events are no different then the WWE, the UFC and Mr. White are trying to make Superstars not a competitive fighting org.
09-24-2011, 11:35 PM
Doug "Minnesota"

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Originally Posted by Taylor Culbertson

The fight was fixed.

Trolling aside I had the same thoughts. I thought Rampage was trying for a kind of rope-adope strategy and not doing completely terrible.
09-24-2011, 11:40 PM
Taylor Culbertson

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Originally Posted by Douglas White

Trolling aside I had the same thoughts. I thought Rampage was trying for a kind of rope-adope strategy and not doing completely terrible.

Yep... It was clear Rampage was paid to lose.
09-25-2011, 01:07 AM
HerbChao

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I thought Rampage was trying for a kind of rope-adope strategy and not doing completely terrible.

The hunch we had at APplebee's watching the fight was that Rampage was trying to see if he could handle the beating long enough to get in close and swing for the fences. The problem of course was that Jones was ready for that, and whereas Rampage pretty much only had one way to win (knockout via punches) Jones had multiple options (trade standing and get the win, takedown to GnP to win, or takedown to submission for win). Def Rampage gave a more competive fight though.
09-25-2011, 04:53 AM
DarbyBarby

I've seen the A Team... Rampage is not that good an actor.
09-25-2011, 06:59 AM
JonScottND

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Originally Posted by darbybarby

i've seen the a team... Rampage is not that good an actor.

qft
09-25-2011, 08:36 AM
Bill Keeling

Rampages head movement was very good. He did better than I imagined also! His problem was closin the distance.
09-25-2011, 09:01 AM
Tony Toffolo

I think this is the first time people have seen jones fight to not lose. I feel like he could have finished rampage if he wanted to at any point but fought conservatively.
09-25-2011, 09:15 AM
Michael "Mikey" Bunten

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Originally Posted by DarbyBarby

I've seen the A Team... Rampage is not that good an actor.

+1
09-25-2011, 09:16 AM
Michael "Mikey" Bunten

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Originally Posted by Tony Toffolo

I think this is the first time people have seen jones fight to not lose. I feel like he could have finished rampage if he wanted to at any point but fought conservatively.

Most if not all of team Jackson fights like that...
09-25-2011, 10:53 AM
Calan Ownhouse

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Originally Posted by Michael "Mikey" Bunten

Most if not all of team Jackson fights like that...

Isn't it strange how they are attracted to winning? I would just go and swing for the fences and hope to win instead of playing it smart and making SURE i win. That makes SO much sense.
Fact is he annihilated Rampage.
"If you want to compare a Jon Jones fight, you compare it to any fight ever that wasn't fought by Jon Jones"
Just watched kill bill so forgive, but he really did put on a good display of striking and FINISHED him.
What more do you want? This isn't tekken
09-25-2011, 12:26 PM
David Rosado

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Originally Posted by Tony Toffolo

I think this is the first time people have seen jones fight to not lose. I feel like he could have finished rampage if he wanted to at any point but fought conservatively.

The interesting thing about that: even while fighting conservatively, he still finished the fight. :)

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Originally Posted by Michael "Mikey" Bunten

Most if not all of team Jackson fights like that...

That's not quite accurate. Jackson guys actually have a lot of finishes and rack up a ton of bonuses for FOTN, Sub of the night, and KO of the night. Condit finishes. Jones finishes. Brian Stann finishes. Guillard finishes. The list goes on. I think Jackson gets that rep for GSP's current style. But as far as that whole camp goes, they are finishers.

And like I said, even when Jones fights conservatively, he still finishes the fight...against a guy who's never been tapped in the UFC.

Be in denial all you want, but the truth is, while Jones wasn't exactly always out of harm's way, he was never put in a bad position. On the other side, Jones put Rampage in more than a few bad positions. I'd say that it was a one sided fight. So I'd say that he dominated.
09-26-2011, 10:10 AM
derekWwyatt

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Originally Posted by DarbyBarby

I've seen the A Team... Rampage is not that good an actor.

Best argument against the fight being fixed. Thread closed ;-)
09-26-2011, 10:54 AM
AJ Camacho

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Originally Posted by Tony Toffolo

I think this is the first time people have seen jones fight to not lose. I feel like he could have finished rampage if he wanted to at any point but fought conservatively.

I just think it was a range issue for both fighters. Jones only wanted to engage from the outside or grapple. The entire inside was given away to Jackson but he had to figure out how to get in there, which he didn't. It was a great tactical fight with Jones being able to dictate the range. That pocket range is where most KOs will naturally happen and Jones wasn't willing to trade and give counter strike openings to Rampage.

You'll see a similar thing play out in any fight with a drastic reach difference.
09-26-2011, 12:52 PM
Tyler Timmermans

when i watched the fight i was excited and thought JJ learned a new werid fighting style so after he stood back up and started fighting normal i didn't give a shit what happened.
09-26-2011, 05:07 PM
joeln

I'm sure JJ is a great guy and all, but I am not even close to sold on his fighting prowess. I am very hesitant to give as much credit as the media does to people who's greatest asset or "skill", in my opinion of course, is their physical attributes.

Shaquille O'neil
Semmy Schilt
Jon Jones

Don't get me wrong, these guys all have skill....but I don't believe it's close as what people are making it out to be. In reality, it's not their fault that they are being marketed as they are, it's just a bit annoying to me.
09-26-2011, 06:33 PM
David Rosado

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Originally Posted by joeln

I'm sure JJ is a great guy and all, but I am not even close to sold on his fighting prowess. I am very hesitant to give as much credit as the media does to people who's greatest asset or "skill", in my opinion of course, is their physical attributes.

Shaquille O'neil
Semmy Schilt
Jon Jones

Don't get me wrong, these guys all have skill....but I don't believe it's close as what people are making it out to be. In reality, it's not their fault that they are being marketed as they are, it's just a bit annoying to me.

It takes skill to utilize that size properly. Stefan Struve doesn't have the best time. Manut Bol took a while to figure it out.

Yes his size helps...but his height/reach isn't giving him german suplexes and TD's from thai plum. His reach isn't giving him spinning back elbows from the clinch. His height/reach didn't give him his spontaneous unorthadox style.
09-27-2011, 10:37 AM
David Stager

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Originally Posted by joeln

I am very hesitant to give as much credit as the media does to people who's greatest asset or "skill", in my opinion of course, is their physical attributes.

Thank you for hitting the nail on the head. I'm not comparing Jon Jones to Tim Sylvia in terms of skill level, but both benefit from being hard to train for based on their physical attributes. Jon Jones has got skills, and I'm sure his technique will be elite level in a few years regardless of body type, but he wouldn't be where he's at right now if it weren't for his crazy 84.5" wing span.