de La Riva Guard for No-Gi

[as'h]

Hey Guys,

Does anyone here practice or drill de La Riva or RDLR guard for no-gi. Being trying to do some research
on it but the finding reference on it is brutal to find. Out of all the books I have, only one has it which is
Jiu-Jitsu University and even that has only a couple of pages on dlr. I could spend money on Marcelo
or Mendes brother online database but I might as well check here cause I'm focusing more on no-gi.

Question is, does anyone here practice or drill de La Riva? if so, does it translate well to the 10th planet
or do you have to do adapt some mods to have it work for you?

[bobby rivers]

Yes. I love it. I get sweeps and the back for days on higher belts in nogi. The secret is giving every limb a job at all times. The right job. Your hooks and grips should always be advancing and making him defend his base. This is when he is vulnerable to advance your position, hooks, and grips even more. Always advance your grips. You just have to learn where to go. The biggest problem I notice is people not using all there limbs at the same time. It is easy to defend just 50% of the tech. Then people give up on it. Just give everything a job, and put them all to work at all times until he is swept or your on his back.

I took the 'give every limb a job' phrase from Eddie and stress it every day.

[Chris Garry]

RDLR or Spiral has far more options for no gi than DLR from what I can gather. The loss of grip applications limits DLR too severely for me to want to invest precious mat time in drilling it.

However Spiral, Tornado, Single x and generally granbying around the place is gold for no gi. Many of the current no gi champs and contenders play those guards exclusively and successfully at the highest of levels.

As long as you are learning and being made aware of all the pros and cons of both and open and clinch type guard and when and why to use them then any guard which is proven to work will translate well in 10th Planet. I dare say there are even DLR and spider guard players in the 10th Planet system who have had so many reps in the gi they transfer it over with less effort than many of us who focus on no gi or train 10th Planet for MMA.

[bobby rivers]

RDLR or Spiral has far more options for no gi than DLR from what I can gather. The loss of grip applications limits DLR too severely for me to want to invest precious mat time in drilling it.

However Spiral, Tornado, Single x and generally granbying around the place is gold for no gi. Many of the current no gi champs and contenders play those guards exclusively and successfully at the highest of levels.

I strongly and respectfully disagree. Spiral without DLR is like old school without the electric chair. Defending one opens the other. The grips are still there. When he breaks control immediatelly find another one always keeping your hooks sticky. Lots of control.

[VJ Bella]

Im on the opposite side of this one guys. Love it for gi. Dont like it for no-gi. I trained at a de la riva school for many years an had developed a pretty good de la riva guard there. I tried to translate many of the sweeps etc. But I felt like I was forcing a square peg into a round hole.

1.) It leaves you open to footlocks. I dont like people messin with my feet.
2.) If you can recognize the position quickly enough its fairly easy to escape before your opponent can get started.
3.) Its hard to hold the key grips when your opponent is not wearing a gi or pants. Wrist control or ankle control is easily slipped out of at times.

That being said I like berimbolo much better for no gi. Not saying dlr doesnt work...id just rather put my time into a higher percentage bottom guard like x guard or berimbolo. Just my 2 cents.

[Chris Garry]

You sound like you know a lot more than me tbf Bobby thanks for the advice. Having not trained in the gi for a long, long time these positions are just not as familiar to us as to someone who trains in the gi, so I'm not really basing it on much just how I feel from trying them out along with a few other things Ive heard. Be interesting to hear from advocates of DLR in no gi, especially those who dont train in the gi at all.

From what I have found about DLR in no gi it just felt like I was going to get stuffed too easily, gaining a good wrist control is harder no gi so I supposed those 2 things meant Ive not been attracted to it at all, I remain open minded about its effectiveness, Sean Bollinger blew us away with his application of spiral so I would never rule something out and in fact would love to roll with someone with a good DLR to see how it stops the pass. There's a couple guys who have come from other gyms who have tried to use it but it just doesnt seem very effective- probably doing DLR an equal injustice as when someone has really weak mission control.

[bobby rivers]

Berimbolo is part of dlr. A huge part and where i get my main success in dlr. Wrist control is easliy broken so have another target immediately. If he tries to slip the heel control he is open for a transition to another guard. Im relentless with the attack. It failed a lot but I saw where I was missing opportunities. Then I started capitalizing. You have to be careful about being lazy with your hooks to avoid footlocks. Keep moving. If he tries to control your foot or shin kick it or pull it fast then rehook. The gi is good for control. In nogi it has to be compensated with mobility and regripping.

[bobby rivers]

probably doing DLR an equal injustice as when someone has really weak mission control.

Exactly

[sean applegate]

Im A Spiral Guy, But Bobby Is Right About Needin Both. They Really Work Off Each Other.

And As Far As It Working Nogi Is Concerned, It Works Great If You Are A Dynamic Player. Its Most DefiniteY Not A Static Posish.

It Is, In My Opinion, Absolutely Imperative That You Have Your Paths Down And Committed To Muscle memory.

[Brent Smith]

I play a lot of DLR no gi. The trick to hitting that Berimbolo no gi (also in the gi) is to get em on their butt, which is a touch trickier no gi because you dont have the same handles as in the gi. If you allow them to stay standing its easy to turn away and limp leg and boom then you have to either try something different or start all over. If they stay standing I work quickly to take that back either via the way Herzog showed on his open guard video or Spiral the way Eddie has shown in MTS. This is what has worked for me. I dunno about anyone else.

Ill use the Miyao game plan if someone pulls guard on me looking for the Berimbolo or 50/50 since theyre already on their butt. Dont have to work to put them there then. Frustrates people especially if they dont like the 50/50