Looks like barn cats been doing muddy waters for a while now

[Brent Smith]

I follow ya and totally agree. the only thing I do differently is get the triangle locked in from invisible crackhead. but once I do that I still zombie. it would be the same thing as getting the triangle lock from invisible collar which I do all the time too. but not everybody can do that so that is why muddy waters is so effective. but we really should figure out an official name for having the triangle with both arms in so we don't always have to say "triangle with both arms in" it would just make life easier

Angry Orchard..Like the alcoholic drink

[Brent Smith]

[Brent Smith]

The Orchard.

I'm a creative genius

Something along these lines though. The man that hits it at least once a tournament deserves the credit imo. Orchard is the one I learned it from as well.

[Cora Sek]

Man, I wish I could triangle my legs with both arms in, that's a huge position, but unfortunately I'm Mexican, most of us can't do that white boy shit Orch & Cat do. There are quite a few croc variations, muddy waters is just another one.

Muddy waters is the position when your opponent's shoulder is locked with a double bag and his opposite arm is trapped on the mat. He's in muddy waters at that point. He's a lonely zebra on the plains of Africa taking sips in a giant puddle of muddy waters with a croc inches from him chillin beneath the surface

So according to what you are saying Master Eddie, in Cora's 2nd No Gi match, this is exactly what she did, she triangle with both arms in and it just look so tight and dominating. I didn't realize what she got until you said this. So in one tournament, she got the muddy waters in back to back matches??

[nathan orchard]

but I'm not angry

[Brent Smith]

but I'm not angry

Jolly Orchard?

[Kurzy]

Shadey Orchards!

[Brent Smith]

Shadey Orchards!

Go from Crackhead Control to Shady Orchards hmmm

[Brent Smith]

They sound cool although Orchard is neither shady or angry

[Kurzy]

Well our friend Nathan may not be shadey, but an Orchard can be shadey.



Could also consider Haunted Orchards or Dangerous Orchards or something.