rubber guard in a gi?

[Craig Murray]

Is there any material about how rubber guard translates to the gi? Anyone have any personal experience or thoughts on the topic? I looked for previous threads but didnt find any.

Thanks!

[Fraser Taylor]

If you go to YouTube and search for 'Planet X Jiu Jitsu' it'll come up with loads of videos to help you. Magnus from 10P Sweden specialises in a Gi approach to 10th Planet.

[OpenMatRadio]

I believe Eddie had a series called the Hangman or the noose, something along those lines. It was a gi precursor to rubber guard.

[Mike Nall]

I think it translates well. Some things require a little more effort since there's more friction, but that friction also allows for some more stability in some of the positions.

Escapes can be harder, but some of the offense can require a bit more adjusting, since the rubber guard inherently involves a smaller/tighter work space.

[William Schrimsher]

From a Judo/Japanese Jujitsu background, having handles makes escapes from pins take longer, but not really more difficult. fingers gripping gi are strong, but not stronger than good technique. There's obviously some chokes that don't show up in nogi, but defense is basically the same. I've noticed there's a lot more space in gi jujitsu, which, as we know, can work in our favor. I'd say the technique offered by 10P translates better to the gi world than the technique taught by gi schools translates to nogi. We work with the bare minimum required to succeed, so when we have more options, it can be a little overwhelming, but 10P doesn't put you at a disadvantage. The lack of sweat/extra friction does play a role, but I'd say overall it works for you rather than against you.

[Joe Mayall]

Ive always felt that rubber guard works better no gi. Take Mission Contorl where your opponent is t rexing his arms. In NoGi, he's stuck, he's got no way to posture. In gi he can grab your kimono and use that to drive up, or back.

[Kyle Spalla]

Putting your feet inside the jacket collar is illegal in most tournaments now so the Hangman is out if you are trying to find competition moves.

[Kevin Gibbs]

Some things work better is the croc and pump series, some things are more difficult, mainly the zombie,

[Arman Fathi]

From a Judo/Japanese Jujitsu background, having handles makes escapes from pins take longer, but not really more difficult. fingers gripping gi are strong, but not stronger than good technique. There's obviously some chokes that don't show up in nogi, but defense is basically the same. I've noticed there's a lot more space in gi jujitsu, which, as we know, can work in our favor. I'd say the technique offered by 10P translates better to the gi world than the technique taught by gi schools translates to nogi. We work with the bare minimum required to succeed, so when we have more options, it can be a little overwhelming, but 10P doesn't put you at a disadvantage. The lack of sweat/extra friction does play a role, but I'd say overall it works for you rather than against you.

Respectfully disagree that no-gi prepares you for gi better than gi prepares you for no-gi. If you do a ton of gi, then go to no-gi, you'll have a fighters chance based on technique. But doing only no-gi than trying gi you're a fish out of water.

What makes more sense is that no-gi far and wide prepares you for MMA wayyy better than gi. That's been my impression of 10th planet, which to me is the preeminent no-gi system out there. But gi is a different game. Haven't played around with rubber guard enough in gi to throw out comparisons, but part of the fun is seeing what translates to the other and in what capacity

[William Schrimsher]

Respectfully disagree that no-gi prepares you for gi better than gi prepares you for no-gi. If you do a ton of gi, then go to no-gi, you'll have a fighters chance based on technique. But doing only no-gi than trying gi you're a fish out of water.

What makes more sense is that no-gi far and wide prepares you for MMA wayyy better than gi. That's been my impression of 10th planet, which to me is the preeminent no-gi system out there. But gi is a different game. Haven't played around with rubber guard enough in gi to throw out comparisons, but part of the fun is seeing what translates to the other and in what capacity

You're more than welcome to disagree, I believe I said this was from my perspective.

The way I see it, you take a judo player and a wrestler, put a gi on the wrestler, and he's still has all his grips, plus a few new ones he doesn't know. What he doesn't know may indeed hurt him, but what he does know hasn't been taken away. Take the gi off the judo player, and unless he's trained no gi judo (which I think all judoka should do) he's lost all his grips.

I think the same thing applies on the ground, though perhaps less dynamically. Again, you're free to disagree. I agree wholeheartedly that 10P translates directly to MMA far better than gi, I agree that 10P is the go-to system for nogi grappling.