Marcelo rolls with Braulio Estima

[Eli]

Edit: Video made private :/

[Greg W]

when it started, it look like it was going to be Marcelo toying with yet another BJJ great. One does not simply toy with Estima, however!!!

[KingViper]

i loved this roll

[Eli]

when it started, it look like it was going to be Marcelo toying with yet another BJJ great. One does not simply toy with Estima, however!!!

Indeed

Didn't ask in the first post to not create spoilers, but is that a choke or some kind of crank that he gets him with? I haven't seen top level guys tap to a chin-in choke before.

[Ken Lowery]

Dat Marcelo back take though.

[brianspinaltap]

Video is private?

[Mike Nall]

Indeed

Didn't ask in the first post to not create spoilers, but is that a choke or some kind of crank that he gets him with? I haven't seen top level guys tap to a chin-in choke before.

The video is down, but I assume you mean their roll and not their match? In their match Braulio hit an arm triangle/arm-in RNC from the back. In their roll, Marcelo's chin was down, but Braulio has a way to choke anyways. It pulls their jaw into their carotid arteries, and the key detail in on the placement of the choking arm's elbow. For sure it's not super common to see top level guys tap to RNCs on the face/jaw. Braulio is not cranking the face though. Garry Tonon is also a really good dude at choking through the face/jaw.

I'm a pretty firm believer that tucking the chin is not a good defense for the RNC unless you're hand fighting and trying to move your hips and escape. Just tucking the chin is a recipe for disaster.

[Mike Nall]

Video is private?

You can watch all 10 rolls for free here:

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Pre-2013 ADCC Super Fight Camp:
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http://www.estimainaction.com/VideoD...px?VideoId=624
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[NotReady]

You can watch all 10 rolls for free here:

June 2013 Visit:
http://www.estimainaction.com/VideoD...px?VideoId=571
http://www.estimainaction.com/VideoD...px?VideoId=578
http://www.estimainaction.com/VideoD...px?VideoId=583

Pre-2013 ADCC Super Fight Camp:
http://www.estimainaction.com/VideoD...px?VideoId=587
http://www.estimainaction.com/VideoD...px?VideoId=597
http://www.estimainaction.com/VideoD...px?VideoId=607
http://www.estimainaction.com/VideoD...px?VideoId=614
http://www.estimainaction.com/VideoD...px?VideoId=618
http://www.estimainaction.com/VideoD...px?VideoId=624
http://www.estimainaction.com/VideoD...px?VideoId=634

Awesome, thank you!

[Eli]

The video is down, but I assume you mean their roll and not their match? In their match Braulio hit an arm triangle/arm-in RNC from the back. In their roll, Marcelo's chin was down, but Braulio has a way to choke anyways. It pulls their jaw into their carotid arteries, and the key detail in on the placement of the choking arm's elbow. For sure it's not super common to see top level guys tap to RNCs on the face/jaw. Braulio is not cranking the face though. Garry Tonon is also a really good dude at choking through the face/jaw.

I'm a pretty firm believer that tucking the chin is not a good defense for the RNC unless you're hand fighting and trying to move your hips and escape. Just tucking the chin is a recipe for disaster.

Wow, I didn't realize there was a technical chin-in RNC. That is both exciting and disturbing, I trust in my chin as a primary defense for back control. Keeping chin to the chest is probably more than 50% of my concentration while back mounted, resisting chin-in attempts while I try to cross my opponents' legs with my hands and pull half committed leg cranks to make them go back to mount . Or trying Dean Lister's leglock for the back triangle which I am yet to pull off.

If a chin-in choke is in fact legit, that makes the back mount a much more dangerous place..

Also, I remember now a Scott Epstein video about choking with the chin using the freedom rock. Didn't take it seriously, now that I (think I) understand the freedom rock I should watch it again. Thanks for the detail man!