Originally Posted by
imported_scott
So first of all why would any athlete or team care about what the public is betting on? That is the stupidest argument brought up on this post! Secondly Denny didn't do anything out of what any problems team or athlete does and that is have a game plan. Everyone here watches UFC and I assume bets on that and how many fights have been game planned there? I remember Condit avoiding Diaz and it was horrible but Condit won with his game plan. Bottom line is the match was exciting as hell and Nathan went hard at Denny and he was able to escape. Outside of the desire for both of them to "attack" at 100% that is the only complaint but Nathan did and it took everything Denny had to escape those. In OT which is always more exciting in every sport anyways they both went for the kill. In an age of non respectable athletes appreciate honesty from one and again the match was awesome so enjoy the match and quit complaining. It was a million times better than most UFC fights
I don't think any athlete should care about what anyone would bet on. I can't speak for what Joseph Hackey said.
I disagree that OT is more exciting. In grappling I would rather see a match contested where any and all positions and transitions are possible. Do I think that the OT forma of EBI is way more exciting than a referee or judge's decision? Hell yeah. 110% yes absolutely.
My only real issue as a spectator is this. Denny and Orchard would both fuck me up. But let's say I get to do an EBI match with either one, and I play super tight defense to get to OT. All of a sudden I get to start in positions that I would never realistically get an opportunity to attack from, had I played according to what Eddie Bravo had in mind when he created all of this. Denny didn't only say that he was playing a defensive strategy. I think had he only said that the reaction by myself and others would be very different. he explicitly came out and said he did not want to even try to submit or "execute" Nate Orchard. That's very different than just being defensive. You can play a defensive or counter attack strategy and still find plenty of opportunities for submissions.
Eddie Bravo created EBI in the spirit of grapplers going all out for the finish. The whole point of this has been to discourage that strategy, so when arguably Eddie's top guy comes out and says that he basically did the exact opposite of what seems to be the spirit of EBI, it's just kind of weird. I have no issues with game plans at all. But Denny didn't say that was his game plan until later. I have no issue with game planning. I just think it's a little odd to have a game plan that explicitly states that you're going to avoid trying to submit somebody in the finals match of a
submission-only tournament. Just think about that for a second.
I'm not complaining at all, and you might not have been talking about me. I think EBI 1 was awesome, and everything I've seen from EBI 2 is awesome. I can't wait to see everything else, and I think EBI has a bright future and I'm glad that it does. I'm a big fan of Eddie, Denny, Orchard, Geo, Boogey, Glover, Cooper, Tonon, Yoshida, and everyone involved in both of the first 2 events. I do think it's way better than most UFC fights. I just think the revelations from Denny around the match with he and Orchard are sort of weird, but that doesn't take away the fact that I am enjoying the fuck out of everything Eddie and 10p are doing.
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