Phasing out the lockdown

[Brandon Mccaghren]

If you use the lockdown as your go to half guard game it can breed a tendency to give up the cross face and letting yourself get smashed while trying to get double under hooks. Which is unfortunate because sometimes you can prevent the cross face, hip out, and get into an offensive half guard position while bypassing the entire lockdown series...

...Like any guard, it has it's place, it's range, and it's optimum set of circumstances...

...You only have to hit the electric chair once on a dominating wrestler to appreciate the value of the lockdown.

Great post.

[David Stager]

Bull shit mate, Eddie goes straight to quarter guard to lockdown and finishes all of his godamn people with that. Either A. ask him or watch him roll live, B. watch mastering the system cuz he rapes people with it. C. watch his you tube rolls almost always equals lockdown to twister side. D. eat a bowl of great gravy dumped on Mashed potatoes. Be good.

So, after about 34 seconds of searching on youtube I found this:



My faith in the lockdown has been restored. I will now eat a bowl of mashed potatoes and gravy along with my words.

EDIT: Here's another video I probably should have checked out before starting this thread:



Moral of the story, do your homework.

[VJ Bella]

Like any other technique it takes a ton of practice. You need to get a good feel on bottom of which way your opponents weight is going and who has what under\over hooks. I dont like being flat on my back so i use lockdown when on my side. i rarely come up to my elbow unless he uses the twister pass. Like any other technique it has its time and place and doesnt work 100% of the time. That being said its my goto technique on the bottom and I have had success with it on almost everyone (including purples\browns and blacks).

[Harry Evans]

I have felt this way for a while. I fully believe the lockdown can be effective at the black belt level. But there are specialists in a lot of odd guards that might not overall be the most effective for the most people. I think lockdown is particularly good for and against certain body types. But I think shield (93 guard), butterfly, x and single-leg-x, and even just a regular 1/2 guard seem more important against higher level guys (at least for the non specialists). That's not to say I don't see its potential. There are a lot of high level guys I think would get blown out of the water in Eddie's lockdown. I'm just saying, I think the others might be better overall for more people.

[Tony Toffolo]

that's a totally legit statement. i prefer butterfly and half-butterfly guard compared to the lockdown but i definitely see its applicability and use it and a secondary version of half-guard that i play.

[Eddie Bravo]

The lockdown is still my go-to game. 1/4 first, then mini stomps to lockdown. Electric chairs, twist backs, plan b's and if I can get an over hook stomps to rubber guard are still my go-2's.

Don't feel weak if you are having trouble with the lockdown game, go to whatever you're best at, we also need deep half players, spiral players, open guard players, x guard players and de la riva players. Everyone can't play lockdown, we would suffer as a species

[Luis Candelas, BCG]

have i told you guys lately that i love being a 10th planet guy? look at all the feedback and advice.
half guard works great for me even if it's only to prevent the pass when i'm dead tired.

[David Stager]

The lockdown is still my go-to game. 1/4 first, then mini stomps to lockdown. Electric chairs, twist backs, plan b's and if I can get an over hook stomps to rubber guard are still my go-2's.

Don't feel weak if you are having trouble with the lockdown game, go to whatever you're best at, we also need deep half players, spiral players, open guard players, x guard players and de la riva players. Everyone can't play lockdown, we would suffer as a species

Thanks for saying this, Eddie.

[The kza]

practice more

[Harry Evans]

Yeah, gotta give props to this place. Look how open minded Eddie is (yet again), and how great the feedback is. You don't hear, "No, you're an idiot, lockdown is better than every other guard", even from the lockdown players. Thanks to Eddie, as well as everyone else on here who makes it possible.

Even though some of the people in my gym don't love TPJJ (we are Humaita, under Royler), we always talk about forums. Everyone complains about the antics and tangents that come up on sherdog, and even the UG. As I always explain, this is the best grappling forum in the world.