http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2L0oXIHiPDg
Love this video. Rafa with major Omoplata game right off the bat.
Unwinder counter to the Duckunder escape.
Perpendicular Jiu Claw.
I'm sure he doesn't use those names, but it's beautiful nonetheless:)
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2L0oXIHiPDg
Love this video. Rafa with major Omoplata game right off the bat.
Unwinder counter to the Duckunder escape.
Perpendicular Jiu Claw.
I'm sure he doesn't use those names, but it's beautiful nonetheless:)
I believe he calls it "Gettin Mendes'd"
Number 1 P4P right now IMO
The fact that he controlled the duckunder(via unwinder) and didn't end up in a scramble or reset is insane.
YupQuote:
Originally Posted by Liquidrob
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELGUV9B9BXM
here's another of my favorites of him. you can actually see him solving the problem (manly's guard).
this video, in particular his passing, underscores something that Jean Jacques emphasizes (maybe in a book, video... i don't remember the source) which is to find a safe place when passing then WAIT for your opponent's movement to create error. then capitalize.
Except Coop didn't know this was being taped, was being respectful to a gym he was visiting and overall just being himself. Ie, being playful. A tournament match would look different than training in a gym
Wait, what?Quote:
Originally Posted by Gray
Nobody cares if cooper lost a rolling match. Nobody thinks he's anything less than amazing because of this. Nobody cares how "hard they were going." The technique is beautiful. And cooper's defense is beautiful.
I don't get it.
Who was that guy?
Sticky hooks then straight shell of defense once past. Rafa hunts arm isolation. Badass.
Now think if Marcelo attacked that defense? Watch the match and look for possible transitions to n/s choke. Marcelo would be all over it and hard. If he doesn't get sub he's takin mount. Then repeats till your n/s or guillotined.
Too completely diff styles at the highest level. Just goes to show there's no right or wrong. Only effective. Unless you're just doin it wrong..
It's against this particular defense that I think the 10p system shines. Beautiful jiu jitsu here though. I love rafa's style
AgreedQuote:
Originally Posted by Liquidrob
The reverse triangle at 4:03 was siiiiickQuote:
Originally Posted by Brandon Mccaghren
You might have seen this video brandon but if not youll love it. Some of the sickest omoplata HL ive seen and clark gracie is nasty at it to even using a form of an iminari move but in the Gi and its his specialty apparently (could be old but I dont know much Gi)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r8xwFhHDeas
LOL. You can take a arm triangle, darce, anaconda, any head-and-arm, and Rafa just says "arm triangle".Quote:
Originally Posted by Brandon Mccaghren
Even funnier is Cobrinha calls every choke besides the triangle a "choke". Guillotine, darce, RNC, bow & arrow, north-south choke it doesn't matter. It's a "choke".
You aren't familiar with Bill "The Grill" Cooper?Quote:
Originally Posted by bobby rivers
He's one of the best Americans of all time. Amazing grappler. Bill was hurt here too I think, so I think comparing what others would have or wouldn't have done is a little silly. It's just a rolling session.
Seriously? People in this thread are definitely judging both Rafa and Coop based upon a rolling session in the gym. I mean the only definition for getting "mendes'ed" someone should draw from that video is being taped and released without your consent. At least MG asks people before he posts tape. The worst part is we'll never see Coop vs Rafa in a tournament match because Rafa refuses to compete even remotely outside his weight class.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brandon Mccaghren
In Rafa's defense, he's done quite well against all sorts of physiques. It would be a special treat to see Rafa v MG. I'd eat popcorn and extra butter for that one.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gray
I completely agree Rick, I would love to see Rafa go up against heavier guys.
I think if Rafa had Bills mentality and competed against guys like Cavaca, Cyborg, etc he would be my favorite jiujitsu guy of all time. But as it stands I am a Coop fanboy lol
I would be very surprised if they taped without people knowing, the guy is right there and they record a lot for the website
You have too know stuff is being filmed
My comment was not a shot at Cooper but just how amazing Rafa is, of course its just a rolling session, but you can still see how Rafa is the best, I just was responding to Brandon saying the thing about what he calls it
Anyone who follows grappling knows Bill is a stud and always keeps ot playful like Glover also
Everytime he switched to North South I was expecting a NS choke. Man I was impressed with his guard pass defense but wasnt digging the shelling up and just sitting there after Rafa passed.Quote:
Originally Posted by bobby rivers
Other video brother. Unless Bill over tannedQuote:
Originally Posted by Mike Nall
Do you have some inside information that says the Mendes Bros didnt ask consent to post this video?Quote:
Originally Posted by Gray
Who is judging either of them???? You say "people" and I have not seen one negative comment on either man.
I said MG asks people because he does, I've been told so by people (Hendricks if you need a name) who have trained with MG. You also sign a video release with MG before training.
I didn't say people referring to MB, because I haven't talked to anyone who is in video on their website outside Coop. I wasn't talking shit on MG at all, I don't think I've ever seen a negative comment about MG or MB. Coop himself was ecstatic about training with MB, you could tell by how much he was smiling and his Facebook comments after. I doubt Coop is upset that the video got posted because of his personality, but as a fan of his I am upset that people draw conclusions without knowing the facts of the roll. (Coop being injured, not knowing about the video being released, etc)
...ok. So im assuming you mean "people" outside of this forum. I love to watch Bill Cooper roll. I dont give a shit if hes getting worked, just in this video he got out of some tough positions. He is just fun to watch. In fact that armbar escape he used at the very end was in his Escapes! Dvd. Kinda cool to see him using the shit hes teaching. Makes it that much more legit.
We ain't mad at ya, brother. :) We all have our fan boy moments.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gray
lol. It'll get worse as the Coop vs Hall fight draws closer and Lovato vs Galvao.
I might have to retire from the interwebz to keep myself from starting e-battles.
So do you info that the video was shot without Cooper knowing? You are not really coming across clearly in your posts
I agree Gray. It would be too awesome to see him go in abs division. And yes, I am a big fan of Coopers! He's such a fluid grappler.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gray
I know Bill. Was talkin bout Jason Manly. Viewing on my phone didnt give me a vid title.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mike Nall
Dont click that. I need a tech guy..
Ah the Jason Manly one my bad. Yeah I asked Rafa about the NS choke and he doesn't really use it. Isn't a big fan of it. Interesting. Yeah MG would have been all over that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brent Smith
My badQuote:
Originally Posted by bobby rivers
I heard that Rafa did pretty well with Buchecha when he came by too ;-)Quote:
Originally Posted by Slick Rick
Rafa and MG would be nice to see....
This is extremely interesting to me. Did he mention why?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mike Nall
<straight fanboy.
I'd like to hear about that, too. Marcelo seems to be the only high profile non-wrestler type who lands it with regularity.Quote:
Originally Posted by bobby rivers
I like the finish, but I have problems setting it up.
I Wonder If Its Because He Is Such A Small Guy. Im Small And Have A Hard Time Controlling It Against Bigger Guys And Fast Squirly Guys.Quote:
Originally Posted by bobby rivers
But I Am Not A World Class Bb.
So Interesting Question indeed
I was the same way. Till I realized the pressure you can create on his jaw with your rib cage. Gotta keep your base super wide and low on big guys or ya get rolled. But they have to address it. This is when they are wide open for mount. Worth a month or two.
Are you a student at AOJ also Mike?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mike Nall
No Ive just done a few MB seminars and a private or 2. Rafa just said that he already has a lot of go to moves from those openings and that it doesn't feel as strong of a finish for him. Wasn't very specific past saying he didn't like it much. Sorry, wish I had more. He said in general he likes head-and-arm chokes over guillotines and north south chokes because it's easier for him to close all of the space due to his longer arms. That said he Marcelo guillotined a few people when we rolled so he can and does do pretty much every move you can think of.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andy Bader
No Ive just done a few MB seminars and a private or 2. If you are a student and heard different please correct me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andy Bader
Rafa just said that he already has a lot of go to moves from those openings and that it doesn't feel as strong of a finish for him. Wasn't very specific past saying he didn't like it much. Sorry, wish I had more. He said in general he likes head-and-arm chokes over guillotines and north south chokes because it's easier for him to close all of the space due to his longer arms. That said he Marcelo guillotined a few people when we rolled so he can and does do pretty much every move you can think of.
i'm a student there, but havent asked him about the n/s... just wondering if i knew you in person... Slick Rick is a regular there also... he trains with alot of good people from different gymsQuote:
Originally Posted by Mike Nall
There's a berimbolo seminar in a week..next saturday i believe... mendes bros and miyao bros... 4 hours of berimbolo goodness...
Damn I wish I could be there. Out of all the training with them never done the berimboloQuote:
Originally Posted by Andy Bader
I'm maybe a low blue belt with my ns choke but I found it clicked for me and can finish it pretty well. Just need to keep putting in reps