Rafa Mendes vs Bill Cooper

[Angel"EL DIABLO"Diaz]

You might have seen this video brandon but if not youll love it. Some of the sickest omoplata HL ive seen and clark gracie is nasty at it to even using a form of an iminari move but in the Gi and its his specialty apparently (could be old but I dont know much Gi)

[Mike Nall]

Love this video. Rafa with major Omoplata game right off the bat.

Unwinder counter to the Duckunder escape.
Perpendicular Jiu Claw.

I'm sure he doesn't use those names, but it's beautiful nonetheless

LOL. You can take a arm triangle, darce, anaconda, any head-and-arm, and Rafa just says "arm triangle".

Even funnier is Cobrinha calls every choke besides the triangle a "choke". Guillotine, darce, RNC, bow & arrow, north-south choke it doesn't matter. It's a "choke".

[Mike Nall]

Who was that guy?

Sticky hooks then straight shell of defense once past. Rafa hunts arm isolation. Badass.

Now think if Marcelo attacked that defense? Watch the match and look for possible transitions to n/s choke. Marcelo would be all over it and hard. If he doesn't get sub he's takin mount. Then repeats till your n/s or guillotined.

Too completely diff styles at the highest level. Just goes to show there's no right or wrong. Only effective. Unless you're just doin it wrong..

You aren't familiar with Bill "The Grill" Cooper?

He's one of the best Americans of all time. Amazing grappler. Bill was hurt here too I think, so I think comparing what others would have or wouldn't have done is a little silly. It's just a rolling session.

[Gray]

Wait, what?

Nobody cares if cooper lost a rolling match. Nobody thinks he's anything less than amazing because of this. Nobody cares how "hard they were going." The technique is beautiful. And cooper's defense is beautiful.

I don't get it.

Seriously? People in this thread are definitely judging both Rafa and Coop based upon a rolling session in the gym. I mean the only definition for getting "mendes'ed" someone should draw from that video is being taped and released without your consent. At least MG asks people before he posts tape. The worst part is we'll never see Coop vs Rafa in a tournament match because Rafa refuses to compete even remotely outside his weight class.

[Slick Rick]

Seriously? People in this thread are definitely judging both Rafa and Coop based upon a rolling session in the gym. I mean the only definition for getting "mendes'ed" someone should draw from that video is being taped and released without your consent. At least MG asks people before he posts tape. The worst part is we'll never see Coop vs Rafa in a tournament match because Rafa refuses to compete even remotely outside his weight class.

In Rafa's defense, he's done quite well against all sorts of physiques. It would be a special treat to see Rafa v MG. I'd eat popcorn and extra butter for that one.

[Gray]

I completely agree Rick, I would love to see Rafa go up against heavier guys.

I think if Rafa had Bills mentality and competed against guys like Cavaca, Cyborg, etc he would be my favorite jiujitsu guy of all time. But as it stands I am a Coop fanboy lol

[Liquidrob]

I would be very surprised if they taped without people knowing, the guy is right there and they record a lot for the website

You have too know stuff is being filmed

My comment was not a shot at Cooper but just how amazing Rafa is, of course its just a rolling session, but you can still see how Rafa is the best, I just was responding to Brandon saying the thing about what he calls it

Anyone who follows grappling knows Bill is a stud and always keeps ot playful like Glover also

[Brent Smith]

Who was that guy?

Sticky hooks then straight shell of defense once past. Rafa hunts arm isolation. Badass.

Now think if Marcelo attacked that defense? Watch the match and look for possible transitions to n/s choke. Marcelo would be all over it and hard. If he doesn't get sub he's takin mount. Then repeats till your n/s or guillotined.

Too completely diff styles at the highest level. Just goes to show there's no right or wrong. Only effective. Unless you're just doin it wrong..

Everytime he switched to North South I was expecting a NS choke. Man I was impressed with his guard pass defense but wasnt digging the shelling up and just sitting there after Rafa passed.

You aren't familiar with Bill "The Grill" Cooper?

He's one of the best Americans of all time. Amazing grappler. Bill was hurt here too I think, so I think comparing what others would have or wouldn't have done is a little silly. It's just a rolling session.

Other video brother. Unless Bill over tanned

Seriously? People in this thread are definitely judging both Rafa and Coop based upon a rolling session in the gym. I mean the only definition for getting "mendes'ed" someone should draw from that video is being taped and released without your consent. At least MG asks people before he posts tape. The worst part is we'll never see Coop vs Rafa in a tournament match because Rafa refuses to compete even remotely outside his weight class.

Do you have some inside information that says the Mendes Bros didnt ask consent to post this video?
Who is judging either of them???? You say "people" and I have not seen one negative comment on either man.

[Gray]

I said MG asks people because he does, I've been told so by people (Hendricks if you need a name) who have trained with MG. You also sign a video release with MG before training.

I didn't say people referring to MB, because I haven't talked to anyone who is in video on their website outside Coop. I wasn't talking shit on MG at all, I don't think I've ever seen a negative comment about MG or MB. Coop himself was ecstatic about training with MB, you could tell by how much he was smiling and his Facebook comments after. I doubt Coop is upset that the video got posted because of his personality, but as a fan of his I am upset that people draw conclusions without knowing the facts of the roll. (Coop being injured, not knowing about the video being released, etc)

[Brent Smith]

...ok. So im assuming you mean "people" outside of this forum. I love to watch Bill Cooper roll. I dont give a shit if hes getting worked, just in this video he got out of some tough positions. He is just fun to watch. In fact that armbar escape he used at the very end was in his Escapes! Dvd. Kinda cool to see him using the shit hes teaching. Makes it that much more legit.