Japanese Necktie question

I usually hit the Japanese Necktie a couple of times each class these days. I'm really starting to love this move. So much so, that I bought a Rising Sun headband and wore it around my neck like a tie for a while. It didn't look as good as I'd hoped, and none of my friends got the joke, so I've stopped. But it was cool wearing it one night in a bar and telling people that they gave them out for free if you pretended to be Japanese when you ordered a drink.

Which brings me onto my question:

Often when I'm going for the JNT (from half guard on top), I find it difficult to get my right arm far enough through. My hands end up about an inch apart and I really have to fight to get the gable grip. I once tried finishing with an S-grip but that failed.

Has anyone else experienced the same thing, or have a good method for sinking the arm in deep?

all i know is that your training partners need perfect double under hooks BIG TIME!

i never really go for this move
its awesome i think i should try

arent you spose to vice grip not gable grip?

Make sure you're dropping your shoulder. If your right arm has the whizzer, drop your right shoulder as far as you can get it to go. That'll give you quite a bit more reach. That seems to be where a lot of the problem is with establishing the vice. At least, that's the aspect I hear coach correcting the most with the vice.

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Originally Posted by Jason Hyatt

Make sure you're dropping your shoulder. If your right arm has the whizzer, drop your right shoulder as far as you can get it to go. That'll give you quite a bit more reach. That seems to be where a lot of the problem is with establishing the vice. At least, that's the aspect I hear coach correcting the most with the vice.

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gotta write that one down for my self!
thank you!

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Originally Posted by Jason Hyatt

Make sure you're dropping your shoulder. If your right arm has the whizzer, drop your right shoulder as far as you can get it to go. That'll give you quite a bit more reach. That seems to be where a lot of the problem is with establishing the vice. At least, that's the aspect I hear coach correcting the most with the vice.

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Yep, gotta get that ear to his back and drop that shoulder down.

i like this one

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZ-ae...eature=related

i usually s-grip my hands first and work it into a gable grip.

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Originally Posted by sly

i like this one

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZ-aeiUb22c&feature=related

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I fuggin like that shit.

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Originally Posted by dstolf

I fuggin like that shit.

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That looks beautiful, gotta try it :)

Shoulder drop and ear to the back that is ggreat.... one more thing sometimes when your on top and in half guard and your trying thismove they have thier other knee blocking you in ur stomach...advice?

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Originally Posted by robert gero

Shoulder drop and ear to the back that is ggreat.... one more thing sometimes when your on top and in half guard and your trying thismove they have thier other knee blocking you in ur stomach...advice?

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Shouldn't matter you have to tie off their leg anyway, they are just making it easier by feeding it to you.

Do you guys prefer to hook the top leg, bottom, or both?

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Originally Posted by WhiteMike2k9

Do you guys prefer to hook the top leg, bottom, or both?

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Thanks for all the replies, guys. I'll start dropping the shoulder on tuesday :). Mike, I usually take the bottom leg. I can't recall trying the top one, but I think that your opponent could resist harder when you have the top leg, because he'd have space behind that hip to push. And he could push against you with his bottom leg. I'm not sure how easy it is to visualise that by reading it.

I never hook the bottom leg, I always hook the top. I tried the bottom while drilling and it took more strength.

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Originally Posted by Matthew Stuart

Thanks for all the replies, guys. I'll start dropping the shoulder on tuesday :). Mike, I usually take the bottom leg. I can't recall trying the top one, but I think that your opponent could resist harder when you have the top leg, because he'd have space behind that hip to push. And he could push against you with his bottom leg. I'm not sure how easy it is to visualise that by reading it.

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Originally Posted by Mike Dewitt Jr

I never hook the bottom leg, I always hook the top. I tried the bottom while drilling and it took more strength.

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Hmmmm LOL. I guess I have to play with it...

vice grip.

I like it, gonna have to give it a try.