10th Planet Belts vs BJJ Belts.

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08-10-2011, 01:54 PM
Justin W.

10th Planet Belts vs BJJ Belts.

I've been thinking about this for a little while now. Being that 10PJJ is NoGi based and BJJ is Gi based, shouldn't for ex. a blue in 10PJJ be on the level of a purple in BJJ in regards to NoGi? because if a purple in BJJ is focused on the Gi, his NoGi game should be weaker than a purple in 10PJJ that's focused on NoGi. Or perhaps, maybe it's that a blue in 10PJJ, only needs to be on the level of a blue in BJJ NoGi's game? My question is to everyone but mainly to instructors, to see what they're looking for when they promote someone.

Also, just a quick question. I understand that a reason for the rubber guard is to close the distance in mma so you can't get punched, which is great but what about for someone just into grappling. Is rubber guard still the go to guard?
08-10-2011, 01:59 PM
Max Hernandez

when a purple belt takes off his gi.. hes a purple belt.. he still has his pressure, flexibility, and mobility.. the only difference is he no longer has grips, which is easy to overcome..
08-10-2011, 02:25 PM
Justin W.

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Originally Posted by Max Hernandez

when a purple belt takes off his gi.. hes a purple belt.. he still has his pressure, flexibility, and mobility.. the only difference is he no longer has grips, which is easy to overcome..

yes but 10PJJ is not just grips, it's specific moves and positions. If what you said were true, then why even train NoGi ever if he's still the same besides grips (which are easy to overcome).
08-10-2011, 02:32 PM
Clinton lawrence

its if your a blue in bjj your a blue in 10pjj up until black belts in bjj then your a brown in 10pjj considering it will take most people 7 to 10 years to achieve a black belt its more then likey your going to do some no gi training in that time as for rubber guard its just another option to have to add to your game i look at it as if the "normal " bjj stuff isn't working then i'll go to 10pjj techs because they are so unconventional and a lot of people don't know what to when you step outside the norm
08-10-2011, 02:54 PM
Justin W.

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Originally Posted by Clinton lawrence

its if your a blue in bjj your a blue in 10pjj up until black belts in bjj then your a brown in 10pjj considering it will take most people 7 to 10 years to achieve a black belt its more then likey your going to do some no gi training in that time as for rubber guard its just another option to have to add to your game i look at it as if the "normal " bjj stuff isn't working then i'll go to 10pjj techs because they are so unconventional and a lot of people don't know what to when you step outside the norm

I know the rules of the belt system, I was just wondering everyones opinion on my question. Also, I know 2 black belts in my school alone that do not ever roll NoGi. One of them even had to cover a NoGi class for another instructor and showed up with his gi, renato style haha

that's interesting that you use 10PJJ as a back up. I would think 10PJJ were go-to's for everyone here.
08-10-2011, 03:23 PM
The kza

In the USA or Brazil? because there is a difference....

generally, if you tried to tell bjj belts that you were this belt in 10thplanetjj IN BRAZIL

i guarantee they would probably run right through you haha
08-10-2011, 03:36 PM
AJ Camacho

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Originally Posted by Justin W.

Also, just a quick question. I understand that a reason for the rubber guard is to close the distance in mma so you can't get punched, which is great but what about for someone just into grappling. Is rubber guard still the go to guard?

Personally, I use the rubber guard as a situational guard. In my opinion the rubber guard relies upon basic principles of posture control, arm isolation, and hip angle which are essential to many basic guard mechanics. Just simply demonstrating rubber guard variations of basic moves can show a beginner why another normal move works. For example, I always show people deep hook variations into spider web just to demonstrate how anytime they find a deep hook, they have a free path to arm bar city... even if they prefer to just try and finish the arm bar rather than transition to spider web.
08-10-2011, 03:37 PM
Bryan Brown

Pretty sure it translates equally + or - the athlete. I rolled Jiu Jitsu in a Gi for the 1st time ever last week with a few Gi purples and I controlled them a little they got some good positions on me too no subs either way but felt pretty even, but I think I would have dominated them if we weren't wearing the Gi. The Gi really slows the game down a lot, grabbing my pants holding my sleeves, so annoying.
08-10-2011, 03:41 PM
Justin W.

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Originally Posted by The kza

In the USA or Brazil? because there is a difference....

generally, if you tried to tell bjj belts that you were this belt in 10thplanetjj IN BRAZIL

i guarantee they would probably run right through you haha

I don't understand? is it harder to get belts in brazil or something? what if a brazilian instructor moves to the US, does he give out belts easier?
08-10-2011, 03:44 PM
Jack LaBarge

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Originally Posted by The kza

In the USA or Brazil? because there is a difference....

generally, if you tried to tell bjj belts that you were this belt in 10thplanetjj IN BRAZIL

i guarantee they would probably run right through you haha

I believe Eddie Bravo tapped a multi time world champion. Hmm from the Gracie family!!! 10th Planet will hold up to other ranks nogi!
08-10-2011, 03:46 PM
Justin W.

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Originally Posted by Jack LaBarge

I believe Eddie Bravo tapped a multi time world champion. Hmm from the Gracie family!!! 10th Planet will hold up to other ranks nogi!

He went up through the ranks in Gi though. Besides, not everyone is Eddie Bravo.

but I still don't understand KZA comment.
08-10-2011, 04:04 PM
Clinton lawrence

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Originally Posted by Justin W.

I know the rules of the belt system, I was just wondering everyones opinion on my question. Also, I know 2 black belts in my school alone that do not ever roll NoGi. One of them even had to cover a NoGi class for another instructor and showed up with his gi, renato style haha

that's interesting that you use 10PJJ as a back up. I would think 10PJJ were go-to's for everyone here.

why i use every thing i start at closed guard depending where the guy goes if he stacks me i find it easier to go to mission control and break him down from there if he doesnt i move to the lockdown and play from there some times i'll just scissor sweep a guy and go right to mount end of the day i just want to tap a guy and i'll use what ever i can to do it :)
08-10-2011, 04:38 PM
Jack LaBarge

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Originally Posted by Justin W.

He went up through the ranks in Gi though. Besides, not everyone is Eddie Bravo.

but I still don't understand KZA comment.

I was replying to KZA dumb ass statement
08-10-2011, 04:45 PM
Max Hernandez

so if you are a black belt in gi.. you're a brown belt in 10th planet? what!? so.. if you are a black belt in 10th planet... are you a brown belt in gi?
08-10-2011, 05:34 PM
Jay Chow

That is usually the case yes Max. Makes sense too. If you are a black belt in any system it means you have mastered it. If you are a black belt in the Gi, but haven't mastered the 10th Planet system, you are technically a Brown Belt in the 10th Planet system. And I'm pretty sure most Gi guys feel the same way when it's reversed.
08-10-2011, 05:52 PM
Max Hernandez

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Originally Posted by Jay Chow

That is usually the case yes Max. Makes sense too. If you are a black belt in any system it means you have mastered it. If you are a black belt in the Gi, but haven't mastered the 10th Planet system, you are technically a Brown Belt in the 10th Planet system. And I'm pretty sure most Gi guys feel the same way when it's reversed.

thank you..
08-10-2011, 06:05 PM
Eric Martinez

why are most champions in jiu jitsu and submission grappling, primary gi players?? how often are pure nogi players ever that good????? Everyone looks to eddie bravo as an example but he was brought up through gi system. Im pround to be a 10th planet blue for MMA reasons but as far as pure jiu jitsu competition ill stick to jean jacques bjj (in which i am a white belt for gi).
08-10-2011, 06:12 PM
Eric Perez

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Originally Posted by Eric Martinez

why are most champions in jiu jitsu and submission grappling, primary gi players?? how often are pure nogi players ever that good????? Everyone looks to eddie bravo as an example but he was brought up through gi system. Im pround to be a 10th planet blue for MMA reasons but as far as pure jiu jitsu competition ill stick to jean jacques bjj (in which i am a white belt for gi).

it goes back to the whole greco roman wrestling vs judo concept. If the world only did Judo and then they had Greco roman wrestling the judo guys would probably win the first couple of olympics until the greco players got better. Then the judo guys would start losing to primarily no gi wrestlers that develop sick underhooks and overhooks. It takes time for a new sport to get great representatives. Most gi guys winning worlds have been doing bjj for over 20 yrs vs a guy doing only no gi for 6 or 7. thats a big gap I dont care what youre wearing. the reps have been done. Besides Otto Olsen lost to Marcelo in the finals of Abu Dhabi and he was only a wrestler beating BJJ guys so sometimes the best representative will win no matter what style. Check out Rustam Chsiev tearing everyone up with only Sambo background. Its only a matter of time before the whole debate ends
08-10-2011, 07:02 PM
Justin W.

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Originally Posted by Jack LaBarge

I was replying to KZA dumb ass statement

lol I know. I was just saying.
08-10-2011, 10:10 PM
Reece Hepi

In my view, i am ranked a blue belt in bjj i havent worn a gi coming up two years i just prefer no gi its faster, i enjoy the gi but its another breed of animal, but back to the point if i was to do 10PJJ i would be a muppet beginner who only knows of the rubber guard not how to do it, but my no gi game is still ok but i would consider myself a white belt in the 10PJJ world. id probly be a white in Gi BJJ now to since i cant remember what a lepal is haha. ah f@#k the ranking system just enjoy the bloody sport.
08-11-2011, 05:12 PM
Eric Martinez

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Originally Posted by reece hepi

in my view, i am ranked a blue belt in bjj i havent worn a gi coming up two years i just prefer no gi its faster, i enjoy the gi but its another breed of animal, but back to the point if i was to do 10pjj i would be a muppet beginner who only knows of the rubber guard not how to do it, but my no gi game is still ok but i would consider myself a white belt in the 10pjj world. Id probly be a white in gi bjj now to since i cant remember what a lepal is haha. Ah f@#k the ranking system just enjoy the bloody sport.

finally someone geta it. :)