Vitamin Junkie

[Aaron Gustaveson]

[QUOTE=Eddie Bravo;144556]I take 16 vitamins, about 70 minerals, 12 amino acids(protein), 3 essential fatty acids every day. I've been taking all that shit plus more like acidophilus for over 20 years and I feel great.

I never said taking more vitamins than you need is going to make you feel bad/get sick. Its really hard to take too much water soluble vitamins and fat suitable are not likely to have effect for decades and that’s with heavy over consumption. Of course amino acids are just monomers of protein (not really protein though) so that what most food is broken down to before it is "digested" anyway. Taking probiotics probably won’t hurt you because most of them die quickly or never "come to life" in your gut but we don’t have much science yet on how it could affect your natural intestinal flora. If you’ve been taking it this long and your healthy then its probably just fine, for you.

[Chris Herzog]

I'm amazed a grown man is resorting to person attacks over vitamin shit. What the hell does this have to do with wonder bread? I wouldn’t eat that stuff. You must be insecure in your beliefs or just really emotional.

Personal attacks? Lighten the fuck up Francis is was a joke.

[Chris Herzog]

Coach Zog is just fucking around. Insecure is not the word I would use to describe him ever. He just cares about seeing people take care of themselves and honestly listening to listen to government and corporate funded "proven science" studies is like watching the evening news and hoping to hear honest reporting. Sure some of of it's honest and good but most of it is going to be a fat crock of shit.

Lies!

[Chris Herzog]

Thanks for your permission to agree with prevailing science. I didn’t mean to offend you. Most people have spent years of their lives studding this would consider your opinion bullshit by the way. Pretty much like a white belt calling your jujitsu opinions bullshit (of course these are not my opinions but the scientific communities’ current prevailing thinking so I'm not emotionaly invested)

All the research funded by pharmaceutical companies per chance?

[James III]

I was going to dig up some link but honestly all you have to do is use google.

Here wikipedia,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ephedra..._United_States

To be fair you stated that many have died taking non FDA approved supplements. Providing a simple Wikipedia link on one thing which isn't even conclusive isn't exactly damming evidence. There is substantially more evidence that FDA approved drugs have caused the death of 'many' people. I've yet to see any damming evidence that taking vitamin C, D or spirilina or probiotics has killed lots and lots of people.

The FDA however admits on IT'S OWN WEBSITE that the drugs it APPROVES kills 100,000 people every year. Check out the link below confirming this,

http://www.fda.gov/Drugs/Development.../ucm114848.htm

Thanks but no thanks

[Aaron Gustaveson]

Coach Zog is just fucking around. Insecure is not the word I would use to describe him ever. He just cares about seeing people take care of themselves and honestly listening to listen to government and corporate funded "proven science" studies is like watching the evening news and hoping to hear honest reporting. Sure some of of it's honest and good but most of it is going to be a fat crock of shit.

I guess I’m still getting used to online forums. In person people seem to treat each other with more respect. The last thing I want is some kind of problem with a brown belt in the system. It’s like a waking nightmare. For some reason this is a hot topic with people, regardless of my credentials on the topic, I'm new to the system and jujitsu so it probably best if I just bow out of this thread.

The science that is marketed to consumers is mostly bullshit just like everything that is marketed to you including dietary supplements. Sure some is genuine, most is to sell you something or scare you for entertainment. This doesn’t mean that the scientific community is not doing good work. The “info” presented to people though the media is entertainment. You have to subscribe to medical journals and spend time looking for real data.

[Chris Herzog]

Because I said you work for wonder bread?


Is this real life?

[Aaron Gustaveson]

Of course more people die from taking fda approved drugs. Think of the number of people who take fda approved drugs compared to non fda approved. Also those people are far more likely to be correctly diagnosed as dying from a drug which was known to be prescribed to them than someone taking a drug with no record. Many of the drugs approved for use by the FDA are known to be dangerous and have risk associated with taking them but in the right case they can save lives. When they don’t the number of people killed by FDA approved drugs sometimes increases. If you are trying to say that it is not confirmed that ephedra has killed many people then you didn’t read Wikipedia. I never worte that taking vitamin C, D or spirilina or probiotics has killed lots and lots of people. People are just going to belive what feels right usally. Maybe science is wrong, it has been before.

[Aaron Gustaveson]

By "Is this real life?" are you asking if am I being serious or do you mean, do I think that online forums are real life? Maybe I'm wrong, It's hard to pick up on tone and intention on the internet when you don’t know someone. I just felt like you seemed offended because you said "you can believe that bullshit..." and then the wonder bread thing, which I guess was meant to imply I had some alterior motive in my post, I know it was meant to be funny, I thought it was at my expense. And you wrote that your wife works for a vitamin company (although if you read my post vitamins aren’t thought to be a real risk)

I just recently found that there is something really addictive about the 10th planet system. I want to be around and keep learning. I know you are an important person in 10th planet. People often have a really personal attachment to their opinions on health topics and I just felt like it might be appropriate for me to show some humility. Sorry about anything I posted about you, it was out of line.

[Chris Herzog]

I'm not offended at all, you need to lighten up around here, you're going to work yourself into a lather.