Ryan Hall Teaching The Twister Roll

[Jonathan Wylie]

I rolled with Ryan about 2 yrs ago when he came into Rochester to film the triangle dvds. It took everything I had just to keep up with him and I still got sub'd about 10x in an hr. I ran into him in boston and he says he'll be comin by 10th planet Rochester again. We'll see how much i've improved since our last meeting. Herzog'S been working on some new 50/50 counters that I would love to try.

As far as Denny not being at the same level, I diagree, lets not forget Ryan lost to Mike Wacker in the 1st round of GQ a couple of yrs ago.
Also the way he rolls to the back when he does his twister roll (pushing off his own) I dont like. Did anyone notice he had to scot his hips closer to the other guy. It could be because they are doing it static but using the grapevine your hips stay tight the whole time.
And Eddie learned the lockdown from Gene Lebell which was one hell of a judo guy.

lol thats cool stuff to hear Scott, that was mostly a troll post because of the whole leg lock discussion and your heel hook reign of terror and that being Ryan's signature move. But it would be interesting to see how that leg lock battle turned out.

[Andrew Peters]

I don't want to make this at all about Brandon Quick but since you feel that what he said was ridiculous, what exactly was ridiculous about what he said ?

Because it is based on nothing but animosity for his old team. He has not seen the DVD's but is willing to make sweeping remarks. Saying things like "Beyond Eddie" and "Better than their Master" are obviously personal statments.

[Andrew Peters]

I think its petty weak of any grappler who is a black belt to say another black belt is 'not at their level'. Granted their are different levels of black belts...but Denny has a resume. All he had to do was go out and prove it..according to him it should of been easy. We can speculate all we want on what would happen...but no one really knows until they actually meet on the mat...they are the only 2 who can settle this debate.

Now we are actually putting quotes around something that Ryan SUPPOSEDLY said. I would really like for somebody to source that statement.

[Jason Mallory]

Now we are actually putting quotes around something that Ryan SUPPOSEDLY said. I would really like for somebody to source that statement.

From this thread:

"Ryan turned down a super fight with Denny last month, he said that Denny isn't at his level. Yeah, right dude. Denny won the Nogi Worlds as a brown and placed 3rd as a black the very next year, plus he won the gold at the IBJJF Nationals and the FILA Worlds, AND he's the first 10th Planet black belt. Not at Ryan's level??? All 10th Planet family members should take offense to that. Ryan got 3rd at ADCC because Leo Viera and Rany both bowed out of the competition and never won the Nogi worlds, him thinking Denny is not at his level is ridiculous."

[Jason Mallory]

^^^ Eddie Bravo.

[Jonathan Wylie]

Andrew, This has nothing to do with the debate at hand and I ask purely out of curiosity. How did you find this thred?

[Eddie Bravo]

"Ryan is not teaching the "Twister Roll", he is teaching a set of rolling back attacks that have been used in Gi and No Gi BJJ and grapppling for years and years. The Mendes bros utilize techniques with these same theories at the highest levels of competition - does anybody on here including Eddie think that Rafael should credit him when he shows the technique on youtube, do any of you really think the Mendes bros who grew up in Brazil and won the Worlds at every belt ranking got this mov e from the 10th Planet system. These moves have always been out there, Eddie utilized to get to his signature submission the Twister and a bunch of variations, and Ryan and a bunch of other people utilize it to get to and finish from the back" -Andrew Peters

Let me start out by saying once again, Ryan is an amazing grappler, no one can deny that. But it's obvious that you don't have the history of the twister roll down, but it's not your fault, you're prolly new to the game, no biggie. Let me start out by making this clear, I didn't invent the twister, it's an old wrestling move also known as the guillotine. What I did invent is the twister roll from side control, back in the 1995. The twister roll to the back is the exact same thing you just bypass the twister and go straight to the back, it called the ninja, research it. There are many matches on video from the 90's where I use the twister roll in competition. My dvd, "The Twister", which came out in 2003 is filled with them, but those are only some of the twister rolls i caught on video in competition in the 90's. I have a whole bunch more on video that I didn't put on the dvd because I didn't end up with a submission on those so I cut them out. The Machado Brothers are as OG Gracie Barra as you can get and they've never seen anyone in Brazil doing the twister roll. Ask Ryan where he learned it, if he tells you what he told me at last year's Gracie Nationals then you'll know exactly where it came from. Show me one video of anyone doing a twister roll from side control before 1995, I bet you can't

[Andrew Peters]

^^^ Eddie Bravo.

I am aware he is quoting Eddie, but if Eddie is going to claim in a public forum that Ryan said that I would just like to seen the quote in an article, or if Eddie spoke to Ryan directly, or if it was gotten 3rd, 4th, or 5th hand through the grapevine.

[Andrew Peters]

Andrew, This has nothing to do with the debate at hand and I ask purely out of curiosity. How did you find this thred?

I spend some time each day checking out all the forums Sherdog, NHB Gear, Underground, and periodically 10th Planet since Eddie's book are what originally hooked me on BJJ. I saw a thread about my coach, basically saying that he put out a DVD on a move he isn't very good at and does incorrectly, which then led to Eddie saying he made a statmenert about Denny (who I happen nto know is a respected grappler by our coaches) that nobody has backed up as fact. It frustrated me enough to register and post.

[Andrew Peters]

"Ryan is not teaching the "Twister Roll", he is teaching a set of rolling back attacks that have been used in Gi and No Gi BJJ and grapppling for years and years. The Mendes bros utilize techniques with these same theories at the highest levels of competition - does anybody on here including Eddie think that Rafael should credit him when he shows the technique on youtube, do any of you really think the Mendes bros who grew up in Brazil and won the Worlds at every belt ranking got this mov e from the 10th Planet system. These moves have always been out there, Eddie utilized to get to his signature submission the Twister and a bunch of variations, and Ryan and a bunch of other people utilize it to get to and finish from the back" -Andrew Peters

Let me start out by saying once again, Ryan is an amazing grappler, no one can deny that. But it's obvious that you don't have the history of the twister roll down, but it's not your fault, you're prolly new to the game, no biggie. Let me start out by making this clear, I didn't invent the twister, it's an old wrestling move also known as the guillotine. What I did invent is the twister roll from side control, back in the 1995. The twister roll to the back is the exact same thing you just bypass the twister and go straight to the back, it called the ninja, research it. There are many matches on video from the 90's where I use the twister roll in competition. My dvd, "The Twister", which came out in 2003 is filled with them, but those are only some of the twister rolls i caught on video in competition in the 90's. I have a whole bunch more on video that I didn't put on the dvd because I didn't end up with a submission on those so I cut them out. The Machado Brothers are as OG Gracie Barra as you can get and they've never seen anyone in Brazil doing the twister roll. Ask Ryan where he learned it, if he tells you what he told me at last year's Gracie Nationals then you'll know exactly where it came from. Show me one video of anyone doing a twister roll from side control before 1995, I bet you can't

I am very familiar with the history of the Twister, Twister roll, your use in comp, and the Ninja back take. I got hooked on BJJ via your books and videos, read them like the Bible and still have them in my collection and reference from time to time. In fact I was frustarted 1.5 years ago at my traditional academy and e-mailed Ryan about his new school and told him I was a big fan of 10th Planet, and after a month at his school I even invited him to your seminar on the east coast (looking back I feel like a retard). Ryan was nothing but cool and never said one negative word about you or 10th Planet. This was one samll piece of my post, and as I said earlier I took a private from Rafael Mendes 6 months ago in NJ and he taught me this roll from side control and half guard and they barely even speak english. My bigger point was Ryan is already hitting at the highest level of competitions, and 10 feet in front of you on Hermes Franca but you still claim that his technique isn't correct, yet none of the 10th Planet "experts" are hitting it at the highest levels.

Question - at the level of ADCC and NoGi Worlds what do you guys (would like to hear Eddies answer as well) feel is a higher percentage finish, the "Truck" or Taking the Back.