What are the differences between different side controls?

[Kyle Spalla]

It is always easier to defend then attack to get a good base find what positions work for you and drill those and if you like feel a certain submission works for you. If you have solid defense then someone your grappling with will likely run into something and that's when you can catch them.

[Kurzy]

Jason Koh, I am in the same boat as you. I have Zero BJJ background experience, I have only been training for maybe a month and a half combined (When you count the classes I skipped at the start as I was getting back into shape) and I am getting my ass kicked by every member of our 10th P club. I finally noticed some inprovement when I concentrated on one or two moves, and tried to get my opponent using ONLY either one of them for a couple weeks.

For me it is Darce from side control and a North South leg headlock with a lock-in hand choke. I worked those moves and didn't really try anything else. It's tough because we're going up against students that are learning the 10th P system, so they know what to look for, and they have more experience, so I am getting eaten alive. Plus because I was only going for those two moves, they all caught on pretty fast on what to defend against: but once in a while lately I have had a victory.

Now that I stuck with those two moves, I have started adding in the ghost escapes and they are working very nicely for me. I can't promise you that my approach will work for you, but I know that by only focusing on those two moves for a while, I cemented them into my repertoire, and I can try to work into those positions without thinking about it.

So once I feel the same with Ghost and Spectre, I will have four techniques that I am confortable applying on a resisting opponent, and then add a couple more.

Try it out. It might help you. I don't know, it helped me.

As far as defense goes, I am my own worst enemy, because I keep handing my opponents an arm bar opportunity on a silver paltter. I have to concentrate on avoiding the arm bars and triangle chokes for now.

I'm just writing this to let you know that you're going through what every new 10th P BJJ student goes through, so don't get frustrated or dejected. Shit, on my first night out I got tapped out by a 12 year old with an ankle lock I had never even seen before. We all have to leave our egos at the door.

[Kurzy]

Damn, I hate how I can't edit to fix typos.

[Brent Smith]

I can't pass someone's guard. That's how much my BJJ sucks lol. I always get mounted and choked out, it's so frustrating.

Takes time man. My top game sucked for awhile because I always trained with bigger guys so I always ended up on my back. My guard game and guard recovery jumped leaps and bounds but I had to focus on my guard passing and top game. Training with guard players really helped my top game. My mount still sucks but Im working on it.

So I guess my point is..repetition. Keep working it. If you find a problem, develop a theory on how to solve the problem and keep at it till you solve that problem. Thats how you progress

[Kyle Spalla]

Jason Koh, I am in the same boat as you. I have Zero BJJ background experience, I have only been training for maybe a month and a half combined (When you count the classes I skipped at the start as I was getting back into shape) and I am getting my ass kicked by every member of our 10th P club. I finally noticed some inprovement when I concentrated on one or two moves, and tried to get my opponent using ONLY either one of them for a couple weeks.

For me it is Darce from side control and a North South leg headlock with a lock-in hand choke. I worked those moves and didn't really try anything else. It's tough because we're going up against students that are learning the 10th P system, so they know what to look for, and they have more experience, so I am getting eaten alive. Plus because I was only going for those two moves, they all caught on pretty fast on what to defend against: but once in a while lately I have had a victory.

Now that I stuck with those two moves, I have started adding in the ghost escapes and they are working very nicely for me. I can't promise you that my approach will work for you, but I know that by only focusing on those two moves for a while, I cemented them into my repertoire, and I can try to work into those positions without thinking about it.

So once I feel the same with Ghost and Spectre, I will have four techniques that I am confortable applying on a resisting opponent, and then add a couple more.

Try it out. It might help you. I don't know, it helped me.

As far as defense goes, I am my own worst enemy, because I keep handing my opponents an arm bar opportunity on a silver paltter. I have to concentrate on avoiding the arm bars and triangle chokes for now.

I'm just writing this to let you know that you're going through what every new 10th P BJJ student goes through, so don't get frustrated or dejected. Shit, on my first night out I got tapped out by a 12 year old with an ankle lock I had never even seen before. We all have to leave our egos at the door.

This.

[Chris Herzog]

I noticed there's some differences between wrestling side control (1 arm around head, 1 around leg), twister side control, judo side control and regular. Like it's easier to mount and north/south choke from twister control but not able to mount from judo side control. Anyone know the differences? Is one better than the other?

The primary diffrences in the various forms of side control is weight distribution and points of contact.

I always ask myself: where am I making a connection on my opponents body, with what part of my body, and where am I applying pressure. My objective is to elminate space and seal gaps. Each form of side control requires a different answer for each one of those questions.

[Jason Koh]

I got some techniques down but when I roll, they either let me just have it or make it impossible for me to use it. How do you guys deal with that?

[Brent Smith]

I got some techniques down but when I roll, they either let me just have it or make it impossible for me to use it. How do you guys deal with that?

Check their oil

[OmyPlata]

Takes time man. My top game sucked for awhile because I always trained with bigger guys so I always ended up on my back. My guard game and guard recovery jumped leaps and bounds but I had to focus on my guard passing and top game. Training with guard players really helped my top game. My mount still sucks but Im working on it.

So I guess my point is..repetition. Keep working it. If you find a problem, develop a theory on how to solve the problem and keep at it till you solve that problem. Thats how you progress

I feel like I am in a similar boat. My top game sucked for a while because I rolled the most with bigger, stronger, former wrestlers/construction workers. Crazy ass grips on my wrists! Omoplatas and Triangles were the only submissions I could catch on people more advanced than I.

My mount got great when I started omoplata from the mount. Its not usually too hard to bait your opponent into undercooking you even temporarily. Let me know what you think. If you're big on clinching at all times (rubber guard), maybe try to visualize rubber guard from the mount?

Just a note, I'm certainly not trying to give you, a higher rank, advice... just sharing what I wonder if may be a similar experience.

[Brent Smith]

I feel like I am in a similar boat. My top game sucked for a while because I rolled the most with bigger, stronger, former wrestlers/construction workers. Crazy ass grips on my wrists! Omoplatas and Triangles were the only submissions I could catch on people more advanced than I.

My mount got great when I started omoplata from the mount. Its not usually too hard to bait your opponent into undercooking you even temporarily. Let me know what you think. If you're big on clinching at all times (rubber guard), maybe try to visualize rubber guard from the mount?

Just a note, I'm certainly not trying to give you, a higher rank, advice... just sharing what I wonder if may be a similar experience.

No worries, I try to learn from everybody white through black. Im starting to really look for omoplatas and monoplatas from the mount and Im a very big rubber guard player so this is a great suggestion