Thanks fellas... I'll give these a shot... the last ditch escape we use at my school involves going 2-on-1 against the choking arm, then throwing your legs up & away from the opponent while turning your shoulders (so you obviously don't break your own neck). I've got a rib that popped out of place a couple years ago and all the twisting from this escape puts a ton to torque on the old injury... it works for a bunch of guys at my spot through. Problem is it kind of does the opposite of what a lot of the defenses I've read about suggest (turn head into opponent not away).