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    Quote Originally Posted by Brent Smith View Post
    The flying kung fu was there but he was setting it up just to push GSP off. I think he could have landed a gogo easy
    An easy gogo? On GSP? You sure about that?

    I dont know why everyone seems to have GSP down as some kind of idiot. Just because there were fights where he chose not to pass guard does not mean he is ignorant of the more innovative techniques out there.

    I wanted to see Diaz pull off some sweet jits as much as anyon but truth is GSP's jits was faultless. Never seen Diaz controlled like that, unable to move his hips, unable to initiate a scramble.

    Lastly Georges use of Diaz' kimura and kneebar setup attempts against him were also brilliant, the leg riding in turtle is what we should all be talking about, rather than the nano second where Nicks shin was in front of his face..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris Garry View Post
    An easy gogo? On GSP? You sure about that?

    I dont know why everyone seems to have GSP down as some kind of idiot. Just because there were fights where he chose not to pass guard does not mean he is ignorant of the more innovative techniques out there.

    I wanted to see Diaz pull off some sweet jits as much as anyon but truth is GSP's jits was faultless. Never seen Diaz controlled like that, unable to move his hips, unable to initiate a scramble.

    Lastly Georges use of Diaz' kimura and kneebar setup attempts against him were also brilliant, the leg riding in turtle is what we should all be talking about, rather than the nano second where Nicks shin was in front of his face..
    If you look at how GSP isnt postured up and he leaves his hand on the mat, yes I think the gogo could land pretty easily with proper technique. I know it was a couple years ago, but Penn threw up a sloppy gogo attempt and almost got it. So im confident in that saying it would land easily and effectively.
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    GSP is an elite grappler. He's got grappling for MMA down to a fine art. Much like Marcelo and Rafa have grappling down for nogi.

    Noticing a slight hole in their game from afar is one thing, and in theory anything is possible. But actually making the man tap, giving up his world title to a sub not only so difficult but one that his opponent is famous for landing in one of the greatest fights ever.

    GSP had BIG replies for two of Diaz favourite setups; the kimura and kneebar, he stayed well clear of any armbar or triangle attempts and guillotines were addressed before they were ever a real threat.

    He is bound to have covered gogos in training and no way was GSP falling into a half assed anything, let alone gogplata.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cora Sek View Post
    Look guys.. as much as Nick believe that wrestlers is ruining MMA and he wants to change this and that. IF he wants to continue to fight (or guys like him) they have to get used to the idea that MMA will be loaded with wrestlers more than ever. Can you imagine how many wrestlers will be in MMA now that the Olympic has taken that away from them? These non-wrestler MMA better change with the times. And even at the lowest level, I know that to stand a chance with good kid wrestlers, I am preparing my daughter against them by having her polish up her rubber guard as we have seen how good it is against wrestlers. That is the only thing in my opinion that is keeping her in the game.
    wrestling started in fourth grade where i grew up, is cora going to wrestle?

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    Quote Originally Posted by brianspinaltap View Post
    After watching Diaz get nowhere on the ground against GSP I like Eddie's advice (via Twitter):



    I would love to see some more JiuJitsu going on in the big MMA matches, that's for sure. I'm getting really tired of seeing people unable to do much from their guard and just getting elbowed. We need a change!

    Also - I looked up "flying kung fu" in MTS14 - sweet. That mysterious song that starts playing towards the end of the episode is 'Set the fire to the 3rd Bar' by Snow Patrol - love it.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bfa9yxCpWoA
    so you did watch the fight and see that GSP did not just elbow diaz, he was teeing off on him. Also, good advice throwing elbows from mission control but eddie forgot that nick doesnt believe in elbows, they're just a stalling strategy in his opinion.

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    Diaz seemed to be thinking about that Gogo several times. He was trying to get his feet in front of GSP's face without moving his hip away to create angle. This allowed GSP to easily avoid the Gogo and to initiate a guard pass. Diaz chose to then roll to the turtle, exposing himself to a position from which he was controlled and dominated over and over throughout the course of the fight.

    Now, far be it from me to tell Diaz how to play the guard, but if you're gonna play against a guy who postures perfectly inside the guard and has excellent submission/sweep awareness, you better hip out on your Gogo attempt or just forget about it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris Garry View Post
    GSP is an elite grappler. He's got grappling for MMA down to a fine art. Much like Marcelo and Rafa have grappling down for nogi.

    Noticing a slight hole in their game from afar is one thing, and in theory anything is possible. But actually making the man tap, giving up his world title to a sub not only so difficult but one that his opponent is famous for landing in one of the greatest fights ever.

    GSP had BIG replies for two of Diaz favourite setups; the kimura and kneebar, he stayed well clear of any armbar or triangle attempts and guillotines were addressed before they were ever a real threat.

    He is bound to have covered gogos in training and no way was GSP falling into a half assed anything, let alone gogplata.
    Obviously Im just being an armchair mma fighter but I think if there was anyone in the 170 weight class that had good rubber guard, GSP's ground and pound would be completely nullified and I believe he is submittable from it.
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    Have you guys seen the Gracie Breakdown on GSP's guard passing? He's just very, very good at it. He's also got Braulio Estima in his corner to train with. He seem to have Nick's ground game pretty much figured out... I would love to see what he'd do against rubber guard.

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    It would be very interesting to see how GSP fares on the ground with Maia, particularly from inside Maia's guard.

    Its all fairly hypothetical seeing as that fight is a little way off, and even if it did happen GSP would likely control the distance keeping the fight stood up.

    But providing he doesnt attempt to have a 25 min grappling match with him (which we all know he won't) I now see GSP being somewhat of an aggressor doing a similar job he did to Diaz. I doubt he will be so liberal, well he simply cannot afford to be against Maia, but I do see him at the very least surviving. Unless Maia gets his back of course, then he could be fucked.

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    Eddie really nailed it. If somebody would just come at him with elbows from the guard and attack the omoplata with a clench. A sick rubberguard would be best, but even a Sean William's or London type set-up would be interesting. Just make him be defending something.

    What Diaz was doing was more of a butterfly recovery than a gogo attempt. A couple of people might just gogo themselves while he tries it.

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