Is the 10th Planet being held back?

[Kyle Spalla]

My argument is, these instructors believe there Jiu Jitsu is the end all be all system of Jiu Jitsu, while even the most traditional schools encourage students to supplement their training with Judo. I say if Judo is the Conservative approach to enhancing ones overall Brazilian Jiu Jitsu game than 10th Planet is the Liberal, new approach. Dynamic, innovative and very effective. If Judo is the right than 10th Planet can viewed as the left approach to overall enhancing a persons game. While I hate referring to it in a political fashion, my personal overall attitude is if you do all three and even further supplement your game with sambo, luta livre, catch wrestling, freestyle wrestling and what have you are just rounding out your grappling game. Some instructors just need to learn, Eddie Bravo isn't going anywhere. He is very successful, and dammit he should be! Because he took something that he saw had holes and made improvements. So what if he gave them names, it is a fact people retain knowledge quicker if something has a name to refer it by If this is your trade don't you want to have every tool possible? Traditional techniques are great, rubber guard is great. If you use the system at your school and they scold you, than make them understand that those technique enhance your game and to get rid of them on the simple (and bias) reason that it isn't the norm is absurd. They are telling you, make holes in your game so you adhere to tradition. Fuck that. Be you, and if your school can't be open minded enough about it, part ways as friends.

[Robert Carlin]

My argument is, these instructors believe there Jiu Jitsu is the end all be all system of Jiu Jitsu, while even the most traditional schools encourage students to supplement their training with Judo. I say if Judo is the Conservative approach to enhancing ones overall Brazilian Jiu Jitsu game than 10th Planet is the Liberal, new approach. Dynamic, innovative and very effective. If Judo is the right than 10th Planet can viewed as the left approach to overall enhancing a persons game. While I hate referring to it in a political fashion, my personal overall attitude is if you do all three and even further supplement your game with sambo, luta livre, catch wrestling, freestyle wrestling and what have you are just rounding out your grappling game. Some instructors just need to learn, Eddie Bravo isn't going anywhere. He is very successful, and dammit he should be! Because he took something that he saw had holes and made improvements. So what if he gave them names, it is a fact people retain knowledge quicker if something has a name to refer it by If this is your trade don't you want to have every tool possible? Traditional techniques are great, rubber guard is great. If you use the system at your school and they scold you, than make them understand that those technique enhance your game and to get rid of them on the simple (and bias) reason that it isn't the norm is absurd. They are telling you, make holes in your game so you adhere to tradition. Fuck that. Be you, and if your school can't be open minded enough about it, part ways as friends.

This is a great post! My main worry is that its novices that are being led away from the innovative methods and trust that their coaches are giving them the best advice. They may not realise that if they ignore their coach and delve deeper then they could become a far more effective grappler.

[Josh Passini]

Being in Chicago,which is one of the closed minded markets in jiu jitsu, we see this everyday. Here is the way I see it. If you are about learning as much as possible in jiu jitsu or grappling then you will learn tech from all styles. 10p, judo, catch, bjj, jjj, freestyle,folkstyle, greco, whatever. That's the beauty of this art is you can throw in shit from everywhere. Guess what it all works, maybe not 100% but nothing works 100% of the time. Closed mindedness and ego are all road blocks to becom the bst grappler you can be. I have some guys that struggle to finish triangles because they are tiny, I have other dudes that struggle with Dela Riva due to body dynamics. Everyone find there strengths and weaknesses. People fear what the dont not know or understand. I was a gym that talk shit on rubberguard becuase they said it was only for stalling. I guess being able to punch. elbow or transition into subs without being hit is stalling. I left and dove deeper into the system and saw how wrong everyone was. My grappling has skyrocketed from that point. Find your own path!

[Robert Carlin]

I agree Josh! I'm so glad to have found some other 10th Planet grapplers to train under. Life is good!!

[Kyle Spalla]

This is a great post! My main worry is that its novices that are being led away from the innovative methods and trust that their coaches are giving them the best advice. They may not realise that if they ignore their coach and delve deeper then they could become a far more effective grappler.

My advice in this situation, is lead by example. If you are out to prove the system and other styles work at your school. Show them. Some is going to get curious and ask you where or how you learned it. That's when you start dropping fucking knowledge bombs and enlighten your fellow grapplers. If they chose to remain willfully ignorant while you progress forward, then they will start noticing holes in their game eventually. Actions speak louder than words.

[Robert Carlin]

My advice in this situation, is lead by example. If you are out to prove the system and other styles work at your school. Show them. Some is going to get curious and ask you where or how you learned it. That's when you start dropping fucking knowledge bombs and enlighten your fellow grapplers. If they chose to remain willfully ignorant while you progress forward, then they will start noticing holes in their game eventually. Actions speak louder than words.

Thankfully I'm at a pro 10th Planet friendly gym now. I have trained in loads of gyms before, some open minded, some not. I think the best thing we can do is train hard and when ready start to compete representing the 10th Planet. Showing the effectiveness of the Art is a way of convincing people that it is a superior form of grappling.

I talked about this before. I was reprimanded for posting about a 10th planet seminar and told not to talk about any other affiliations in the gym etc. Its the usual politics involved in the fear of losing students and good old self preservation. As some of the guys have said...the more 10th planet schools there are to spread the word the better.

That's horrible Johnnie, It should be up to the people to choose if they want to experiment with the 10th Planet or any other style for that matter. I can't stand politics in gyms!

[VictorV]

What attracted me to 10P is the philosophy behind it. It's very much in the spirit of Bruce Lee. "take what works, reject what doesn't."

I've gone to a few other places that teach bjj and kickboxing and they're very much stuck in my-way-or-the-highway mode. Which is very frustrating for me. It's an attitude I hate. I [B]abhor[B].

When I studied Kenpo my instructor was really big on head kicks. At the same time, he didn't believe in having a ground game. I've been picked on and bullied all my life (which never really lasted long because I would fight back), so every time we did no-rules sparring, as soon as someone went to do a head kick, I'd take them down and introduce them to my game. Because of that, he changed his tune. He now has a black belt in jiu jitsu under Pedro Sauer.

I've dropped 10P into a couple of conversations with a few other guys who have shown interest in training with me, and they give me a really funny look. As of yet, they hem and haw about training.

[Chris Herzog]

I talked about this before. I was reprimanded for posting about a 10th planet seminar and told not to talk about any other affiliations in the gym etc. Its the usual politics involved in the fear of losing students and good old self preservation. As some of the guys have said...the more 10th planet schools there are to spread the word the better.

LOL dem bitches is skerred!

[Robert Carlin]

What attracted me to 10P is the philosophy behind it. It's very much in the spirit of Bruce Lee. "take what works, reject what doesn't."

I've gone to a few other places that teach bjj and kickboxing and they're very much stuck in my-way-or-the-highway mode. Which is very frustrating for me. It's an attitude I hate. I [B]abhor[B].

When I studied Kenpo my instructor was really big on head kicks. At the same time, he didn't believe in having a ground game. I've been picked on and bullied all my life (which never really lasted long because I would fight back), so every time we did no-rules sparring, as soon as someone went to do a head kick, I'd take them down and introduce them to my game. Because of that, he changed his tune. He now has a black belt in jiu jitsu under Pedro Sauer.

I've dropped 10P into a couple of conversations with a few other guys who have shown interest in training with me, and they give me a really funny look. As of yet, they hem and haw about training.

Get them Twistered and watch them change their tune!

[Johnnie McIntyre]

LOL dem bitches is skerred!

You know it big man